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What's your dream FSJ that you DON'T already have. If you have your exact dream already, that's awesome, BUT if you have another one you like just as much, add that!

Mine has to be a '69 J2000, absolute base model, short bed, thriftside (for the fiberglass fenders), Buick 350. I'd probably go for an open knuckle front end, or if I found and older one with the IFS that didn't run, I could put a B350 in that. 4wd, 33"s, aluminum slots--literally the weight of a stock 2-door XJ w/bigger tires, 1/2 ton parts, and a big V-8. Stock I'd want a 3-on-the-tree, but really I'd want a 5-speed. OK, ultimately I'd want to go full electric with it; for that I'd probably get a Dana motor OR Dana EV axles front and rear for it, then just have batteries. Only thing I don't like about that is the large quantity of unsprung weight. If you look at the torque curve on that TM4, it's absolutely insane. (4000 Nm is about 3000 lb feet of torque)(no, I didn't add a 0).

Those motors/axles, for anybody who's curious:
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https://www.danatm4.com/products/system ... owertrain/
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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Mmm. The Thriftside in 1969 had steel fenders, as I recall. Very much like the Utility Truck, if not exactly the same. The fiberglass fenders were an '80s development, were they not? I know the '76 Thriftside had the steel fenders - BTDT.

I really like my '77, but it's pretty darn rusty.
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Love my 70 J2000 but if I could I’d have a 4 door wagon, wide tracked, custom chassis, 4 link rear, 3 link front, coils, 4 tube bypass shocks, air bumps, 33’s, full interior comforts, 6.2 LS, 6spd auto, atlas 2.0 transfer case, d44 front and d60 rear. All set up to fly in comfort.
The bus I ride is so short it is a yellow Smart Car full of squirrels, monkeys and clowns.

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tgreese wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:27 pm Mmm. The Thriftside in 1969 had steel fenders, as I recall. Very much like the Utility Truck, if not exactly the same. The fiberglass fenders were an '80s development, were they not? I know the '76 Thriftside had the steel fenders - BTDT.

I really like my '77, but it's pretty darn rusty.
You're right. Not a hard swap though...

I was also thinking about maybe a brow delete but I dunno--either way on that. The delete would improve aero which would be nice, esp. with the EV.

Also if the fenders are beat up/rusty, fiberglass fenders. Probably a 2" hitch front and rear, and wiring for an electric winch on both ends. Maybe have the rear bumper be a tank for an air compressor too. And the whole thing painted in the brightest, most obnoxious purple I can find.
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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The Tremors Jeep!

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shortbus4x4 wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:00 pm The Tremors Jeep!
Yeah pretty much, just more obnoxious :D
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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I can't decide, so I have two, one of which I'm building currently. First is a crew cab J truck with brow, razor grille, short bed, and a modern drive train. 6.0, 6l80e, atlas transfer case, and Dana 60 axles with coilover 4 link front suspension. The second one is a 78 Cherokee S wide track built similarly to Greg H's blue Cherokee. Mustang 2 front end, linked rear, Nissan RB25 or Toyota 2JZGTE compound turbo and 6 speed tremec magnum. The Cherokee I'm in the process of building but with more attainable goals like a crown vic front end, NA-T 2JZ, and probably not a tremec or compound turbos.
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OK back.... LOL

something like this only with my touches on it.
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The bus I ride is so short it is a yellow Smart Car full of squirrels, monkeys and clowns.

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Wide track Cherokee 2dr, 401,727. I don’t have the skills to do it right 🙃
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I have my best idea of a FSJ trail rig on a budget. It ain't perfect, never will be.

My dream FSJ would be a stock, clean 1978 Wagoneer Limited. First year Limited, last year 401/T400/QT. This is really just a pipe dream. What I NEED is to get my mother's Charger on the road. That dream is reachable...

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Oh dude those cars are sweet looking. They are almost cooler than the 68-70 chargers just for the fact that they are way less common


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Either a Red Stepside J10 Honcho WITH the stripes or a Super Wagoneer.
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All of these are really cool--there have to be more than 8 guys on here tho...
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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sierrablue wrote:All of these are really cool--there have to be more than 8 guys on here tho...
It's just us, we're it

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That explains a couple of things 😂
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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I'm slowly morphing mine into exactly what I want. Modern engine, simple transmission, factory style case with plenty of range options for what I want.

I recently modded the factory roof rack with Yakima cross bars that add aftermarket functionality for camping trips.

Soon to come this year is custom, but stock style upholstery with front lumbar/butt warmers for long trip comfort.

The final touches would be a 2.5" Deaver spring lift, 3.31 ratio axles with Truetracs F/R for realistic light-duty towing/use on any trail I would want to take it down, some form of onboard air (preferably located behind a cargo panel with a smaller removable access cover to the important functions), and a lightweight, synthetic cable winch tucked nicely behind the bumper.

Slowly working toward that goal, but making sure I enjoy the journey with it.

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My 68'Gladiator is my dream FSJ as far as body style goes (except it's a long bed). I would have preferred a short box for off-road capabilities.

However, since building this one I have added a couple more to the wish list.

The first is a pig nose Cherokee, like this one.
I'd probably do wood grain.

I like a 2 door, regardless of vehicle so this is the best combo of style and function. Plus the 360 is one of my favorite motors.

Second is a 70's Grand Wagoneer. Specifically because of the tail lights. I absolutely love the body lines of this model.
I'd have a Razor Grill on there.ImageImage

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Awesome!

Harry Dawg, that Cherokee is a pre-'79 with a muscle grille ('80-83 Cherokees, and '80-'88 J trucks) swapped onto it. The pig nose was '79 only on the trucks and Cherokee, and '79-'84 on the Wagoneer (Grand Wagoneer for '84).
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.

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dodgerammit wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:29 pm I'm slowly morphing mine into exactly what I want. Modern engine, simple transmission, factory style case with plenty of range options for what I want.

I recently modded the factory roof rack with Yakima cross bars that add aftermarket functionality for camping trips.

Soon to come this year is custom, but stock style upholstery with front lumbar/butt warmers for long trip comfort.

The final touches would be a 2.5" Deaver spring lift, 3.31 ratio axles with Truetracs F/R for realistic light-duty towing/use on any trail I would want to take it down, some form of onboard air (preferably located behind a cargo panel with a smaller removable access cover to the important functions), and a lightweight, synthetic cable winch tucked nicely behind the bumper.

Slowly working toward that goal, but making sure I enjoy the journey with it.

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That's awesome!

Won't the Trutrac in the front cause steering issues?
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.
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will e wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:53 am Either a Red Stepside J10 Honcho WITH the stripes or a Super Wagoneer.
Sweet. A super or a honcho would be really cool.

I almost bought a yellow J-10 during the Ouray trip in Silverton. Had a for sale sign on it and everything. If I came home with another thing that barely ran that I was going to disassemble and "fix", the wife would have had me committed. So I passed. I remain at two for now.
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