Hey guys,
My NP229 just grenaded. Sounds like a can of rocks in there.
I've searched here and the mothership for this specific answer, but I can't find it, so here it goes.
I found a NP208 online locally with the following specs:
"Chevy NP208 transfer case. 27 spline input, 32 spline output. Removed from behind a 700R4."
Will this bolt up behind my stock TF727 or will I need an adapter?
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk, so excuse any typos)
NP208 bolt pattern?
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
NP208 bolt pattern?
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
AwesomeJ10
- Posts: 3031
- Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:26 am
- Location: Off the grid on Storm Mountain Colorado
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
no
727's have a 23 spline output.
Advance adadpters sells an adapter to make it work. You would be better off swapping in the matching 700R4 and then dealing with the adapter for the amc engine/chevy tranny IMHO.
727's have a 23 spline output.
Advance adadpters sells an adapter to make it work. You would be better off swapping in the matching 700R4 and then dealing with the adapter for the amc engine/chevy tranny IMHO.
-
ClovisMan
- Posts: 346
- Joined: Fri May 11, 2012 8:10 am
- Location: New Braunfels, TX
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
The front output will also be different. Chebby used a Passenger Drop and your 88 Wagoneer has a Driver's drop.
88 Grand Wagoneer - The Money Pit - 360/727/NP208 - SOA/SF - Lots of other stuff SOLD
78 Cherokee Chief - Copper - 360/TH400/Quadratrac - 4 inch BDS lift - 33 inch tires SOLD
78 Cherokee Chief - Copper - 360/TH400/Quadratrac - 4 inch BDS lift - 33 inch tires SOLD
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
Bummer. I might just have to rebuild the 229. The tranny I have is leak free and works well so I don't want to swap it out.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
Stuka
- Site Admin
- Posts: 11812
- Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:53 pm
- Location: CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
A *Jeep* 208 will bolt in in place of the Jeep NP229. A GM/Dodge/Ford 208 will not. They need to be adapted/clocked.4x4Dad wrote:Bummer. I might just have to rebuild the 229. The tranny I have is leak free and works well so I don't want to swap it out.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
2017 JKU Rubicon
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
Got it.
I find, sadly, that I learn more about my rig when something breaks than at any other time.
I find, sadly, that I learn more about my rig when something breaks than at any other time.
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
I think I'll start looking for a np242 as well. I know that has some issues, such as the need for a SYE kit, but I like the option of full time 4wd.
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
Stuka
- Site Admin
- Posts: 11812
- Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:53 pm
- Location: CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
The NP242 is an awesome t-case. Unless you plan on offroad hard, or adding a lot of lift, the slip yoke will be fine.4x4Dad wrote:I think I'll start looking for a np242 as well. I know that has some issues, such as the need for a SYE kit, but I like the option of full time 4wd.
2017 JKU Rubicon
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
I found a local 242 with a SYE already installed. How complicated is the swap? Anybody know?
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk, so excuse any typos)
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk, so excuse any typos)
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
Stuka
- Site Admin
- Posts: 11812
- Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:53 pm
- Location: CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
Depends what it came from. It may have the wrong spline count.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
2017 JKU Rubicon
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
-
4x4Dad
Topic author - Posts: 33
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm
- Location: Yorba Linda, CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
It's a 23 spline from a Grand Cherokee. My research says that's what I need to mate up with my 727.
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk, so excuse any typos)
(Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk, so excuse any typos)
Tucker
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
88 Grand Wagoneer, recently rebuilt AMC 360, Howell TBI, Mallory HEI distributor, Doug Thorley headers, Magnaflow exhaust, NP242 with SYE, TF727, NO LEAKS!, 5-6" total lift (BJ's 4" inch spring lift + 2" blocks out back and 1" shackle lift out front), 1" body lift, 3.31 gears with factory tow package, 32" BFG's.
My Jeep has tricked me into thinking I know what I'm doing.
-
carnuck
- Posts: 3881
- Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:48 pm
- Location: Lynnwood, WA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
Options: NP208 (Dodge or Jeep) will require a longer rear driveshaft and the Dodge version won't let you run 4x4 unless you swap the front axle.
What will bolt in place of the NP229 is NP228, NP219 (4x4 only) or AMC Eagle NP129 or NP128 (2wd and 4wd but no low range. Only the front yoke and speedo drive needs swapped to bolt it in) NP119 from an Eagle is 4x4 hi only.
What will bolt in place of the NP229 is NP228, NP219 (4x4 only) or AMC Eagle NP129 or NP128 (2wd and 4wd but no low range. Only the front yoke and speedo drive needs swapped to bolt it in) NP119 from an Eagle is 4x4 hi only.
Check my parts for sale near Seattle
-
Niedhogg
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:37 pm
- Location: Thor, IA
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
I swear to god, the NP208 I have from an '87 suburban is a driver drop, like my J20..Stuka wrote:A *Jeep* 208 will bolt in in place of the Jeep NP229. A GM/Dodge/Ford 208 will not. They need to be adapted/clocked.4x4Dad wrote:Bummer. I might just have to rebuild the 229. The tranny I have is leak free and works well so I don't want to swap it out.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
Dave Glaspie
'88 J20, under the knife installing a '95 5.9 Magnum/Tranny/and T-case, and a 6" lift
'79 CJ7, 360 AMC with Edelbrock, Holley 470 T/A, HEI, TH400, Quadratrac, w/4" lift, 35" tires
'76 CJ5, 232 AMC, T-14, D20, Corp 20 rear w/full float axle conversion, lockouts and a Detroit locker, front D30 w/lunchbox and 4:56 gears, 4" lift and 35" tires
'78 CJ5, 304, T150, D20
Manly men drive CJs and FSJs, they weld and drink beer... They do not drive Hummers, they receive them...
'88 J20, under the knife installing a '95 5.9 Magnum/Tranny/and T-case, and a 6" lift
'79 CJ7, 360 AMC with Edelbrock, Holley 470 T/A, HEI, TH400, Quadratrac, w/4" lift, 35" tires
'76 CJ5, 232 AMC, T-14, D20, Corp 20 rear w/full float axle conversion, lockouts and a Detroit locker, front D30 w/lunchbox and 4:56 gears, 4" lift and 35" tires
'78 CJ5, 304, T150, D20
Manly men drive CJs and FSJs, they weld and drink beer... They do not drive Hummers, they receive them...
-
Niedhogg
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:37 pm
- Location: Thor, IA
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
And I am wrong...Niedhogg wrote:I swear to god, the NP208 I have from an '87 suburban is a driver drop, like my J20..Stuka wrote:A *Jeep* 208 will bolt in in place of the Jeep NP229. A GM/Dodge/Ford 208 will not. They need to be adapted/clocked.4x4Dad wrote:Bummer. I might just have to rebuild the 229. The tranny I have is leak free and works well so I don't want to swap it out.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
I bought the whole drivetrain for my CJ7, axles and all, so it didn't really matter which side it dropped.. sorry for my ignorance! LOLDave Glaspie
'88 J20, under the knife installing a '95 5.9 Magnum/Tranny/and T-case, and a 6" lift
'79 CJ7, 360 AMC with Edelbrock, Holley 470 T/A, HEI, TH400, Quadratrac, w/4" lift, 35" tires
'76 CJ5, 232 AMC, T-14, D20, Corp 20 rear w/full float axle conversion, lockouts and a Detroit locker, front D30 w/lunchbox and 4:56 gears, 4" lift and 35" tires
'78 CJ5, 304, T150, D20
Manly men drive CJs and FSJs, they weld and drink beer... They do not drive Hummers, they receive them...
'88 J20, under the knife installing a '95 5.9 Magnum/Tranny/and T-case, and a 6" lift
'79 CJ7, 360 AMC with Edelbrock, Holley 470 T/A, HEI, TH400, Quadratrac, w/4" lift, 35" tires
'76 CJ5, 232 AMC, T-14, D20, Corp 20 rear w/full float axle conversion, lockouts and a Detroit locker, front D30 w/lunchbox and 4:56 gears, 4" lift and 35" tires
'78 CJ5, 304, T150, D20
Manly men drive CJs and FSJs, they weld and drink beer... They do not drive Hummers, they receive them...
-
Stuka
- Site Admin
- Posts: 11812
- Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:53 pm
- Location: CA
- Contact:
Re: NP208 bolt pattern?
All the GM 208's are passenger drop. When they went to the 241 it switched to driver drop for the IFS trucks.Niedhogg wrote:I swear to god, the NP208 I have from an '87 suburban is a driver drop, like my J20..Stuka wrote:A *Jeep* 208 will bolt in in place of the Jeep NP229. A GM/Dodge/Ford 208 will not. They need to be adapted/clocked.4x4Dad wrote:Bummer. I might just have to rebuild the 229. The tranny I have is leak free and works well so I don't want to swap it out.
I thought I'd read somewhere that 208s bolted in, but I was skeptical. I guess it's just some of them. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for now.
2017 JKU Rubicon
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
-
carnuck
- Posts: 3881
- Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:48 pm
- Location: Lynnwood, WA
- Contact: