Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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sierrablue
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Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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As some of you may have noticed, the last year or two I've been pretty hard on Jeep as a company, having had some personal issues with the 4.0L in my parents' ZJ, their lack of support for their newer stuff, and reliability issues on their newer stuff. Pretty recently, I've been brought back to realizing why I'm a Jeep guy to begin with.

Jeep does spend a LOT more time than other manufacturers on suspension work off-road and in general, making sure it'll go over almost anything you point it at, and it's way smoother off-road, with good road manners compared to pretty much anything else. They're at basically the same price point as comparable SUVs, and are typically smaller on the outside than the SUVs they're competing with.

I was also thinking that new Jeeps really sucked in general, but recent experiences with a '18 JL Rubicon have lead me to realize that they're NOT that bad like everybody says they do. I mean I have my personal issues with AMC engines and the 3.6 sounds like it's kind of in a similar boat, but the 2.0L in the Wranglers is great, and frankly those 3.6s and AMCs aren't THAT bad. Especially when it's in a well-sized vehicle that will go pretty much wherever you point it.

As much fun as I had with that JL I was kind of thinking it would leave me soured on the Wagoneer, wanting to do a 4-link and all that kind of stuff on it. Getting back in it though, I'd forgotten how much lower to the ground it is without being THAT much less capable, and the bench seats are great! It gets better mileage, and because of the leaf springs out back, it has more truck-like capabilities than a JL, and quite frankly is better behaved on the street. For what I'm doing this is a FAR superior design, as I'm doing a lot of pavement driving and primarily using the 4-wheel-drive for snow and ice and such.

Starting to come back to the realization that Jeeps are a lot better than I'd been giving them credit for, and FSJs are legit very solid vehicles for what I'm looking to do, and proud to be a Jeep owner again :-bd
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Re: Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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A good day to reflect, of how fortunate we really are :)
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Re: Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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sierrablue wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:40 am...Starting to come back to the realization that Jeeps are a lot better than I'd been giving them credit for, and FSJs are legit very solid vehicles for what I'm looking to do, and proud to be a Jeep owner again :-bd
I blame the Internet and social media. The world is full of people saying, "[whatever] sucks because blah, blah, blah..." This get bounced around and amplified by modern means of communication and there is little honest factual basis for the claims being made.

30+ years ago people kept their opinions to themselves about many things and there was not an ocean of low value opinion flooding the exchange of ideas and factual thought.

In short, today talk is cheap. Very cheap.
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Re: Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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The 3.6L is a great engine. Yes, 12-13 had some early on issues with the passenger side head. But otherwise they are pretty solid engines. The only kind of common issue is the oil cooler can leak, which is in the valley under the intake. But replacing it isn't that bad, few hour job.

Its kind of a bummer that for '25 you can only get the V6 with the manual. Which I love manuals, but you can only get the extreme recon package with the auto.

I love my JK, I feel its the best balance of tech and old school.

And you are right, Jeep puts a lot of thought into actual offroading. For instance, Toyota puts the alternator down low in the engine bay. Jeep puts it up at the very top. So when going through deep water or mud, the alternator doesn't get destroyed. Which is pretty common on Toyotas.
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Re: Remembering Why I'm a Jeep Guy

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Jeep is always on the bottom (Top?) of the "Worst cars" list. I always say Jeeps are horrible cars but they are great Jeeps. The things that get it on the worst car list are minor annoyances. "Wind noise". "Gas mileage". "Rough ride". "Wandering steering". If you want a car, get a car.

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My Canadian family is a Jeep-only bunch. Willys, Scramblers, Wagoneers, CJ's, Wranglers, Comanches, Renegades, and Gladiator. I've owned 2 Wranglers, one of them for only 5 days. Flipped it for $1200 profit. Mildly regret not keeping that one. My current rig is a '79 J10.
As much as Jeep gets unfair bias, the older rigs get a lot of attention. I've been to town twice so far and had a small crowd both times. Not many FSJ in my neck of SC. Harding, you said it well. Any classic Jeep owner gets into it knowing Jeeps may tend to be unrefined. It would take a big bag of cash and a moment of weakness to take away my Jeep, but I'd just buy another one. Or two. Or three.
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