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2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Stuka » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:44 am

So, its officially unveiled now. From what I have seen and read, I really like it. Except for the name. I don't like the Gladiator name being used on it, I feel it should have been the Scrambler. And I wish there was a 2dr with a longer 7ft bed available. But since nobody buys 2dr trucks, they won't offer one.

But, best in class towing, payload, removable top, all very cool. The question is if it will be priced in line with things like the Tacoma, the new Ranger, etc.

Site: https://www.jeep.com/gladiator.html

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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by tedlovesjeeps71 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:50 am

Me wanty. With a diesel and manual transmission please.

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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Cecil14 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:35 pm

It's super cool, and I agree about the naming. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they are going to price it way out of the market. Maybe they'll offer a base model for a reasonable price, but honestly it needs to be about $25k to sell well, and that's just not likely to happen.


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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Stuka » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:36 pm

It will have the 3.0L EcoDiesel with over 440ft lbs of torque, but the diesel is auto only. Manual is available with the 3.6L V6 only.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Stuka » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:38 pm

Cecil14 wrote:It's super cool, and I agree about the naming. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they are going to price it way out of the market. Maybe they'll offer a base model for a reasonable price, but honestly it needs to be about $25k to sell well, and that's just not likely to happen.


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No prices yet, but my guess is the base MSRP will be around 31k, which is inline with other 4wd Mid-Size trucks.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by REDONE » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:08 pm

I'm fine with the name, since the actual dimensions are on par with the historic J-truck (and much bigger than the CJ-8 Scrambler). I wouldn't have had strong feelings about it had the name gone the other way though. :)

I may have more experience with these trucks than most, already. They've been field testing them (in their full-car bras) around here for a year now. I don't know that I've seen a diesel version, but I do know that I've been passed by one going up a 6% grade, and it was pulling a trailer with a big saran wrapped square of something on it (guessing a tow-test). I also know that they have NO problem getting up to speed on a short on-ramp at 10K feet.

I have heard somewhere (I think a Jalopnik article/blog, stating that it's the same source that confirmed the gladiator name first) that a regular cab+longer bed will be available eventually, targeted towards fleet sales. Gov't agencies (Interior & Agriculture), utilities and railroad I guess want the same thing as me (and many others, I'm sure), enough seats for 2 butts and enough bed to haul a ladder/2x4s without hanging off the back. Here's to hoping, but I'm not going to hold my breath, haha!

Regarding full-car bras, Monday before thanksgiving on US40 between Dinosaur and Meeker I spotted a zebra SUV, similar in size to a Ford Expedition but bubbly and with grill opening like a BMW. It was on a dirt road parallel to the highway and keeping pace with me (about 65mph). Expect a bigger beemer SUV soon. ;)

EDIT>> Because I forgot that Excursion is the bigger ferd and Expedition is the middle one.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Cecil14 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:12 pm

Base model (and I mean base) MSRP on the Tacoma is $25,550. I would totally expect "standard equipped" models to be in the low to mid 30s, though.

I understand it's just standard inflation, but DANG CARS ARE EXPENSIVE anymore. Ugh.


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Post by Stuka » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:19 pm

Cecil14 wrote:Base model (and I mean base) MSRP on the Tacoma is $25,550. I would totally expect "standard equipped" models to be in the low to mid 30s, though.

I understand it's just standard inflation, but DANG CARS ARE EXPENSIVE anymore. Ugh.


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Yeah, a "Base" 1/2 ton truck starts in the 39-40k range, and they can be priced to almost 70k. A moderately equipped 4wd Tacoma is in the mid 30's, and they can be priced to the upper 40's.

Its not just inflation though, its all the tech and features that people want. As long as as they keep buying them, car makers will keep pricing them that way. That and people are taking 7-8 year loans out on vehicles, which just makes me shake my head.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by REDONE » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:33 pm

Hahahahah! My brother in law owes $11K on a 2010 GMC Acadia that just got towed to the scrapyard. I blame the banks for financing these people more than I blame the people taking out the loans. The borrowers don't know any better. The banks know exactly what they're doing because they just did the same thing 10 years ago with houses. :x

Back to Jeepiness, anyone got pics of the back seat area yet? I've seen pics of the bed (heart 419), and I'm guessing the front looks like a Wrangler; but I've heard that it's got "the most in-class rear legroom" and I'm curious what that looks like. :)
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Stuka » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:12 pm

REDONE wrote:Hahahahah! My brother in law owes $11K on a 2010 GMC Acadia that just got towed to the scrapyard. I blame the banks for financing these people more than I blame the people taking out the loans. The borrowers don't know any better. The banks know exactly what they're doing because they just did the same thing 10 years ago with houses. :x

Back to Jeepiness, anyone got pics of the back seat area yet? I've seen pics of the bed (heart 419), and I'm guessing the front looks like a Wrangler; but I've heard that it's got "the most in-class rear legroom" and I'm curious what that looks like. :)
There is a lot of leg room. Was watching a live stream earlier up on stage and I actually said "wow" when I law the rear leg room. Its more than a standard JLU.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by letank » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:12 pm

ready for our needs too

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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by tedlovesjeeps71 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:13 pm

letank wrote:ready for our needs too

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could not resist
That's cool and does do a lot to give us a realistic idea of its size compared to our FSJs. ImageImage

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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by 89er » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:51 pm

Jalopnik posted this one on '35s
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Absolute unit. Not a fan of the front grille though, they should square it up for the future grand wagoneer.
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Post by tedlovesjeeps71 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:48 pm

89er wrote:Jalopnik posted this one on '35s
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Absolute unit. Not a fan of the front grille though, they should square it up for the future grand wagoneer.
Beat me to it. I've been drooling over YouTube vids of this and just saw the "built" Mopar JT.
What caught my eye especially were the specifically built drawer system for the bed. That will aid overlanding a great deal.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by 1979bettywhite » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:23 am

Mopar version looking much better/natural than the Sport or Sahara for sure.

Saw a few niceties that it will offer as well:

-Locking storage underneath the back seat that is removable.
-The driver's side rear seat also locks to protect the storage area behind it as well.
-The tailgate cables can be looped around a peg of sorts to leave it open at a 45 degree angle, if you need to haul longer loads and want the weight to lean towards the front I am guessing.
-Rubicon (at least) edition will hold up to a 35" spare in the stock location underneath the bed
-Stock exhaust (muffler and turn down exit) tucked nicely up and out of the way of rocks.
-Locking rear diff in 4 high, with ability to connect sway bar. High speed dessert racing I am guessing, lol.


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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by Phils67 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:03 am

I dig it but would like it better as a 2 door Rubicon. Apparently the rubi has the locking front and rear diffs, sway disconnect, 4.1 rocktrac case and 4.10s, and can clear 35s stock despite coming stock on 33s. Now picture that with a nukizer fiberglass front clip and we really may have something. Im not a fan of the wrangler nose but i am also not against it. I think it is more the fact that we have waited over 25yrs for another jeep truck and that is what will have everyone creaming their jeans over it or just about any truck that jeep would have released. I get it, I know why people like them, but I still don't accept crew cab trucks with tiny beds. Growing up trucks sat 3 people tops and could haul 8 foot sheets of plywood with the tailgate closed. Imagine 3 feet of plywood or lumber flopping around hanging off the back of that thing. To me, trucks are go-anywhere rigs meant for work use. If I want to go get groceries and pick up the kids I'll take my wifes car. Again, I DO like it, but I think I am more drawn to it by the performance specs and the namesake than anything asthetically
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Post by SJTD » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:52 am

Looks like a "Jeep" not a truck.
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Post by tedlovesjeeps71 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:16 am

Phils67 wrote:I dig it but would like it better as a 2 door Rubicon. Apparently the rubi has the locking front and rear diffs, sway disconnect, 4.1 rocktrac case and 4.10s, and can clear 35s stock despite coming stock on 33s. Now picture that with a nukizer fiberglass front clip and we really may have something. Im not a fan of the wrangler nose but i am also not against it. I think it is more the fact that we have waited over 25yrs for another jeep truck and that is what will have everyone creaming their jeans over it or just about any truck that jeep would have released. I get it, I know why people like them, but I still don't accept crew cab trucks with tiny beds. Growing up trucks sat 3 people tops and could haul 8 foot sheets of plywood with the tailgate closed. Imagine 3 feet of plywood or lumber flopping around hanging off the back of that thing. To me, trucks are go-anywhere rigs meant for work use. If I want to go get groceries and pick up the kids I'll take my wifes car. Again, I DO like it, but I think I am more drawn to it by the performance specs and the namesake than anything asthetically

I have a strange feeling that perhaps they will eventually produce a 2 door version and it will get the scrambler moniker. IMHO, it seems more fitting to do that.
I’m interested to see more specs on the bed. I’m glad it’s made of steel (vs aluminum) but wonder if the wheel wells will fit a 4’ sheet of plywood. With the gate up (or partially up) I think only a foot or two of an 8’ stud would hang out. It’s a decent compromise considering it isn’t supposed to be full sized. With the proposed tow rating (diesel) anyone wanting to use it more for truck duties may have to opt for dragging a trailer for longer/heavier materials but at least it’s capable to do so.
One thing I wish Jeep would do is offer gearing options from the factory. If one orders a Jeep knowing they will quickly go with 35s or bigger, an option box to order deeper gears from the beginning would be nice. Special order your Rubicon with say 4.88s since you know it’ll get 37s makes it easier than a car payment, paying for lift and tires, and then having to shell out for new gear sets. Doubt it would happen but it’d be nice. Image

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Post by Stuka » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:29 am

tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:

I have a strange feeling that perhaps they will eventually produce a 2 door version and it will get the scrambler moniker. IMHO, it seems more fitting to do that.
I’m interested to see more specs on the bed. I’m glad it’s made of steel (vs aluminum) but wonder if the wheel wells will fit a 4’ sheet of plywood. With the gate up (or partially up) I think only a foot or two of an 8’ stud would hang out. It’s a decent compromise considering it isn’t supposed to be full sized. With the proposed tow rating (diesel) anyone wanting to use it more for truck duties may have to opt for dragging a trailer for longer/heavier materials but at least it’s capable to do so.
One thing I wish Jeep would do is offer gearing options from the factory. If one orders a Jeep knowing they will quickly go with 35s or bigger, an option box to order deeper gears from the beginning would be nice. Special order your Rubicon with say 4.88s since you know it’ll get 37s makes it easier than a car payment, paying for lift and tires, and then having to shell out for new gear sets. Doubt it would happen but it’d be nice. Image
The bed is designed so that you can carry plywood. The tailgate can lock in a hallway position. The plywood then rests on the wheel wells and tail gate. About 1.5 will stick out past the end of the tail gate. But to me, this would be fine. It’s very rare the avg person carries a full 8ft sheet. I have done it in my J10 twice in the 15 years I have had it.

And the 4.10’s are fine for 35’s. 37’s work if you have the 8sp auto. If you have the manual, then 4.56’s or 4.88’s would be nice to save the clutch.
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Re: 2020 Jeep Gladiator

Post by tedlovesjeeps71 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:16 pm

Stuka wrote:
tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:

I have a strange feeling that perhaps they will eventually produce a 2 door version and it will get the scrambler moniker. IMHO, it seems more fitting to do that.
I’m interested to see more specs on the bed. I’m glad it’s made of steel (vs aluminum) but wonder if the wheel wells will fit a 4’ sheet of plywood. With the gate up (or partially up) I think only a foot or two of an 8’ stud would hang out. It’s a decent compromise considering it isn’t supposed to be full sized. With the proposed tow rating (diesel) anyone wanting to use it more for truck duties may have to opt for dragging a trailer for longer/heavier materials but at least it’s capable to do so.
One thing I wish Jeep would do is offer gearing options from the factory. If one orders a Jeep knowing they will quickly go with 35s or bigger, an option box to order deeper gears from the beginning would be nice. Special order your Rubicon with say 4.88s since you know it’ll get 37s makes it easier than a car payment, paying for lift and tires, and then having to shell out for new gear sets. Doubt it would happen but it’d be nice. Image
The bed is designed so that you can carry plywood. The tailgate can lock in a hallway position. The plywood then rests on the wheel wells and tail gate. About 1.5 will stick out past the end of the tail gate. But to me, this would be fine. It’s very rare the avg person carries a full 8ft sheet. I have done it in my J10 twice in the 15 years I have had it.

And the 4.10’s are fine for 35’s. 37’s work if you have the 8sp auto. If you have the manual, then 4.56’s or 4.88’s would be nice to save the clutch.
That's good to know. I realize we don't often carry materials but if I bought a mid size, I'd hope it could accommodate an occasional "emergency run" to the depot for a needed sheet of whatever.
Is there any more information on that drawer system they show in the Mopar built one? I'm really liking that they made what seems to be a common addition to utilitarian/expedition use.

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