Wide track fender flares

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candymancan
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by candymancan » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:28 pm

threepiece wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:06 am
candymancan wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:28 pm
I dont have a cherokee.. but ive seen thrm in the junkyard.. They look pretty complicated in how they are welded on. More so than i thought from just seeing pics online
This is one of the main reasons I expect there to be limited sales of these flairs. I suspect many if not most potential buyers would then be faced with installation cost in addition to the high cost of the product. Then there are those who have the resources to do the wok themselves but are unwilling to spend the time or effort.


Ive seen one with good flairs in the salvage yard once. And i wanted to cut them off to selk.. but i didnt even know where to start on cutting then due to the weird way they are mounted. You cant just cut the flair off it goes deep into and is part of the main wheel well
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threepiece
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by threepiece » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:28 pm

candymancan wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:28 pm
threepiece wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:06 am
candymancan wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:28 pm

You cant just cut the flair off it goes deep into and is part of the main wheel well
Not really, it’s an illusion. There are two
parts involved, the outer perimeter of the flair is welded to the body outer. It goes inboard only about 3/4” to make the spot welds. The inner perimeter is visibly welded to the wheelhouse outer.
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by Jatwv5 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:03 pm

Any progress on this project?
Over the past several months I've been working on creating patch panels and just came across this thread. So far I have the front top section and will be working on the lowers soon before moving to the rear flares. If your getting close Id much rather buy a set of rear flares lol.
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by toothofwar » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:17 pm

I wish I had good news to share, but unfortunately I do not. The outsourcing I potentially found ended up being more smoke and mirrors than truth. I will no longer be looking to produce these for sale. I wish this would have panned out. I love the wide track look, and my rig is in desperate need of a set. The next step for myself is to look westward for a body that is more repairable than mine to build on. I travel all over the U.S. for my work, so if I find a good specimen I will be going that route. Thanks for all the replies and good wishes!!!

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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by threepiece » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:08 am

I too would like to reproduce this flair but as I said it is a complicated affair.

Work of this nature requires balance. It’s important to remember this: As the time it takes to make a part decreases, the complexity and cost of the tool used to make it increases. Also, as the complexity of the tool increases the skill required to use it decreases. An operator of a progressive stamping die could be trained to use the tool in a few minutes or hours. That same part made with a hammer and dolly could take years to learn. This is the balance I was referring to, somewhere in between is our FSJ flair. It’s a matter of combining the right people and resources.

I have, among other things been restoring and prototyping sheet metal for over thirty years. I think I can find the balance I was referring to above but I need help doing so.

If there is anyone here with access to a machining center with a capacity of about 30”x 12” and the willingness to cooperate perhaps together we could manage to accomplish something.
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by candymancan » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:50 am

Sell it to the chinese lol im sure theyd love to have the stamping moulds and make these flairs lol. They do it to everything else
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by threepiece » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:40 am

candymancan wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:50 am
Sell it to the chinese lol im sure theyd love to have the stamping moulds and make these flairs lol. They do it to everything else
Indeed, however the tooling I am considering is a long way from stamping. These parts would be largely hand made with help from tools that control the shape.

To be clear the parts I have in mind would only be the lower portions of the flairs that commonly rust out and take at least two hours each to make. I work in a shop environment with plenty of young people. I find few that are willing to roll up their sleeves all the way. I suppose there are plenty of people in China that would be.
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Re: Wide track fender flares

Post by Jatwv5 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:29 pm

It would be fairly easy for me to produce the lower sections if I had a good example to reverse. As of right now I can stamp the top section of the front flare along with a section of the front fender body line and currently working on reverse engineering the lower section of the front flair both sides. Going to be producing a small run 10-20 sets next month.
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