Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

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Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by gte636p » Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:40 pm

Hopefully the tile makes a little sense? I've tried searching, but my terms seem to be wrong.

I'm in the process of replacing the door seals and want to replace the wing windows. Unfortunately, the metal tabs that set the width of the window channel are broken on all 4 doors I have access to where the tab meets the outer door skin. The easy solution would be to weld the tabs back together, but I'm pretty certain I'd blow through the sheet metal. Has anyone fixed this differently?

Would some metal bent to the same shape and some panel adhesive get the job done as well??

Links to threads I couldn't find would be appreciated as well.
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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by Theodore » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:56 am

Subscribing - am in the research phase heading toward vent window seal replacement this spring. Vent window division bar seal is damaged on our 90 GW.
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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by thej10guy » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:48 am

I’m not entirely sure what I would do in your situation. I would assume bending up a new piece and then using panel bonding adhesive would work but I’m not 100% sure. The struggle would be clamping the piece so it cures. It would be doable though. I think that is what I would do if I were in your position but that is just me. Interested to see what others say.


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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by rocklaurence » Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:29 am

This issue is common and is caused by the strap for slamming the door shut. I remove my door straps to prevent this from happening. I repaired mine by welding them over. I dont think a strap and epoxy will work.


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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by runuover86gw » Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:09 am

rocklaurence wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:29 am
This issue is common and is caused by the strap for slamming the door shut. I remove my door straps to prevent this from happening. I repaired mine by welding them over. I dont think a strap and epoxy will work.
Are you talking about the interior door handle straps? I just want to make sure I am understanding you properly. I have my GW torn apart right now and I want to do as much preventative type work on while it is at this stage to make the work last as long as I can. I am all about preventative work instead of reactive work.
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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by rocklaurence » Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:30 am

Yes, exactly. Those straps have very little support and it stresses the sheet metal between the inner/outer skin. I use the arm rest exclusively to pull the door closed


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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by letank » Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:19 am

As noted by Rocklaurence, the strap was removed on the latter years, confirming that the strap was doing some damage.

Or Chryco decided to save 4 straps, beauty caps and screws to speed up the chain!
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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by gte636p » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:12 pm

So, welding it is. Do you provide some extra material to bulk it up or just back with copper and tack away?

My problem area is right at the exterior door skin. The jeep was painted right before I got it, so there's not much room for error.
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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by rocklaurence » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:15 am

It is thin in that area. I used .025 wire with gas. I had to repaint the inner door sill and both my doors were torn at the cross-over brace and a few inches back-two tears.


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Re: Wing window - broken door structure between door skins

Post by Srdayflyer » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:37 pm

i replaced my wing window seals a few months ago if you sent me some pics i could assess what you have and can give you better alternatives for repair and replacement, the tabs being mentioned were broken on the drivers side, the most used door in the waggy, it was found to be the major source of my door rattle, had to weld and finish grind, if welding is required using a mig or tig welder is recommended as as little heat is transferred to the area , along with a heat sink (wet towel) around the surrounding area to prevent paint damage , the new seal covered the repair without noticing the repair

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