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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Renodemona » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:03 pm

Yes, that's why I had to Arch them. They were too flat like _ so the distance between the mounts was too short. I had to re arch them so they were U shaped, bringing the eyes closer together to fit correctly.
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Mudders » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:14 pm

Renodemona wrote:Yes, that's why I had to Arch them. They were too flat like _ so the distance between the mounts was too short. I had to re arch them so they were U shaped, bringing the eyes closer together to fit correctly.
But the pins are not the right distance either.

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by SJTD » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:48 pm

Renodemona wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:03 pm
Yes, that's why I had to Arch them. They were too flat like _ so the distance between the mounts was too short. I had to re arch them so they were U shaped, bringing the eyes closer together to fit correctly.
Rearched by a spring shop or by you to get them installed?

If by a spring shop they must have been the wrong springs. Can't believe a reputable company would sell a spring that needs to be rearched.

If by you just to install them I don't get it. If they were too long the shackle would be at its maximum rearward travel before you installed them. If you arched the springs them to get them installed they would be preloaded with the shackle travel maxed out so it couldn't move to allow the the springs to flatten out.

Not hassling you, just trying to understand.

There have been a one or two threads recently where the spring was too short to install with the shackle all the way forward. They had to be flattened a little to to get them in. Once the weight of the vehicle was on them there was no problem. Maybe down travel would be limited a little. I thought you were one of those guys.

Mudder, if you install those springs what would the shackle look like? How far would it be angled back?

Maybe they're for a truck? Can someone say if trucks have longer springs than Cherks and Wags?
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Renodemona » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:59 am

I don't know if they were the wrong springs but the shop I bought them from (RC distributor) mentioned they had to be arched. When I installed them they needed some flex to put in, but they fit ok. Over time they have relaxed down and aren't as stiff. I think i was explaining it backwards you're right. They used to be taller now are shorter. I did buy the kit from Rough Country that was the spring kit from their website then a dude went into the back and about 15 minutes later brought out 4 springs and box of hardware. The ones on the rear are labelled as "8023"

Just to see, I looked around their website and I didn't see the same springs offered anymore. Maybe they stopped making those ones and now put something that's "close enough" in the kit? I can't imagine they sell a lot of lift kits for FSJs.
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1976 Cherokee w/t 'Susan' 401/TH400/QT(PT)
FiTech Go EFI, Edelbrock Performer intake
3" Rough Country Springs, HEI Dizzy
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Hamilton Fuel Injection
4" Alcan Springs, HEI Dizzy
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Mudders » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:20 pm

Mudders wrote:Can anyone help with what leaf springs I might have? The Jeep is a fullsize 1980 Cherokee and I ordered a Rough country 3" lift. Complete lift all new leaf springs! First off the front leaf springs were a treat because the u bolts were wrong size. And now the rear leafs are the wrong size ! And Rough Country says there a exact fit. Called BDS and they say there right also. Tried to call Skyjacker but they didn't want to help. The center pin isn't even close. Here's a couple photos for comparison ImageImageImage

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Renodemona » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:31 am

So it ended up working?
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1976 Cherokee w/t 'Susan' 401/TH400/QT(PT)
FiTech Go EFI, Edelbrock Performer intake
3" Rough Country Springs, HEI Dizzy
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1972 Wagoneer 'Meredith' 360/TH400/D20
Hamilton Fuel Injection
4" Alcan Springs, HEI Dizzy
-------------------------------------------------------------
2018 Cherokee Trailhawk V6 'Sedna'

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by fsj454 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:05 am

I NEW IT WOULD WORK. Cherokee :-bd
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Mudders » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:53 pm

Renodemona wrote:So it ended up working?
Had to use blocks in the rear

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Mudders » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Mudders wrote:
Mudders wrote:Can anyone help with what leaf springs I might have? The Jeep is a fullsize 1980 Cherokee and I ordered a Rough country 3" lift. Complete lift all new leaf springs! First off the front leaf springs were a treat because the u bolts were wrong size. And now the rear leafs are the wrong size ! And Rough Country says there a exact fit. Called BDS and they say there right also. Tried to call Skyjacker but they didn't want to help. The center pin isn't even close. Here's a couple photos for comparison ImageImageImage

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by fsj454 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:19 pm

HEY MUDDERS what spring did you use with the block old or new spring .Nice Cherokee :fsj:
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by FSJRomanGladiator » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:56 pm

So I have a 74 j10. Apparently the 73-74 rears are special due to the pin that is in front eyelid.

That said I went skyjacker. I had actually an awesome experience thus far.

I ordered the JP40RS and JP40FS. No issues on front. Rear waiting for arrival.

I also ordered their ubolt kit and noticed they give qty to do both front and rear but it is not meant that way - they give “options” to ensure a combination fits. End of day the kit provided perfect fit. Also had the bushings.

Rear I will have to get the ubolt kit as well. They have one with blocks and one without, but the springs JP40RS does not require the blocks. It gives the 3-4 inch already.

Hopefully that helps. I bought off amazon as they were $30 cheaper per leaf.





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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Stuka » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:01 pm

FSJRomanGladiator wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:56 pm
So I have a 74 j10. Apparently the 73-74 rears are special due to the pin that is in front eyelid.

That said I went skyjacker. I had actually an awesome experience thus far.

I ordered the JP40RS and JP40FS. No issues on front. Rear waiting for arrival.

I also ordered their ubolt kit and noticed they give qty to do both front and rear but it is not meant that way - they give “options” to ensure a combination fits. End of day the kit provided perfect fit. Also had the bushings.

Rear I will have to get the ubolt kit as well. They have one with blocks and one without, but the springs JP40RS does not require the blocks. It gives the 3-4 inch already.

Hopefully that helps. I bought off amazon as they were $30 cheaper per leaf.


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I don't want to hyjack this thread too much. But you should be aware that not only will skyjacker springs not work for you in back, but there is two different length springs used in 75 and older J-Trucks, and there was two different sizes for the post mount. To my knowledge, Hell Creek is pretty much your only bet for rear springs.
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Mudders » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm

fsj454 wrote:HEY MUDDERS what spring did you use with the block old or new spring .Nice Cherokee :fsj:
Gosh I had to use my old springs it was nothing short of a nightmare trying to figure it out.

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by FSJRomanGladiator » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:02 am

Mudders wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:38 pm
fsj454 wrote:HEY MUDDERS what spring did you use with the block old or new spring .Nice Cherokee :fsj:
Gosh I had to use my old springs it was nothing short of a nightmare trying to figure it out.

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I hear you. I am in the middle of mine right now for the rear - and yes i have a 74. :banghead:

Me and the post mounts are becoming very much acquainted.
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by mjdriver » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:55 am

Stuka wrote:
FSJRomanGladiator wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:56 pm
So I have a 74 j10. Apparently the 73-74 rears are special due to the pin that is in front eyelid.

That said I went skyjacker. I had actually an awesome experience thus far.

I ordered the JP40RS and JP40FS. No issues on front. Rear waiting for arrival.

I also ordered their ubolt kit and noticed they give qty to do both front and rear but it is not meant that way - they give “options” to ensure a combination fits. End of day the kit provided perfect fit. Also had the bushings.

Rear I will have to get the ubolt kit as well. They have one with blocks and one without, but the springs JP40RS does not require the blocks. It gives the 3-4 inch already.

Hopefully that helps. I bought off amazon as they were $30 cheaper per leaf.


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I don't want to hyjack this thread too much. But you should be aware that not only will skyjacker springs not work for you in back, but there is two different length springs used in 75 and older J-Trucks, and there was two different sizes for the post mount. To my knowledge, Hell Creek is pretty much your only bet for rear springs.
Sorry not trying to hi Jack too much here, but I was wondering if the skyjacker 74 j10 4" kit with blocks in rear would work with my 73 j2000?

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by Stuka » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:07 pm

mjdriver wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:55 am
Stuka wrote:
FSJRomanGladiator wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:56 pm
So I have a 74 j10. Apparently the 73-74 rears are special due to the pin that is in front eyelid.

That said I went skyjacker. I had actually an awesome experience thus far.

I ordered the JP40RS and JP40FS. No issues on front. Rear waiting for arrival.

I also ordered their ubolt kit and noticed they give qty to do both front and rear but it is not meant that way - they give “options” to ensure a combination fits. End of day the kit provided perfect fit. Also had the bushings.

Rear I will have to get the ubolt kit as well. They have one with blocks and one without, but the springs JP40RS does not require the blocks. It gives the 3-4 inch already.

Hopefully that helps. I bought off amazon as they were $30 cheaper per leaf.


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I don't want to hyjack this thread too much. But you should be aware that not only will skyjacker springs not work for you in back, but there is two different length springs used in 75 and older J-Trucks, and there was two different sizes for the post mount. To my knowledge, Hell Creek is pretty much your only bet for rear springs.
Sorry not trying to hi Jack too much here, but I was wondering if the skyjacker 74 j10 4" kit with blocks in rear would work with my 73 j2000?

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'73 should have post mount springs up front (very late ones may have the 74+ setup?). You can easily tell this by looking at your front springs. Do they mount under the frame, or on the side of the frame. If they are post mount (side of the frame), then the 74 kit will not work. In which case you need to contact Hell Creek, as I believe them to be the only ones that make a post mount kit.
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2017 JKU Rubicon Lifted and stuff
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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by mjdriver » Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:04 pm

Stuka wrote:
mjdriver wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:55 am
Stuka wrote: I don't want to hyjack this thread too much. But you should be aware that not only will skyjacker springs not work for you in back, but there is two different length springs used in 75 and older J-Trucks, and there was two different sizes for the post mount. To my knowledge, Hell Creek is pretty much your only bet for rear springs.
Sorry not trying to hi Jack too much here, but I was wondering if the skyjacker 74 j10 4" kit with blocks in rear would work with my 73 j2000?

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'73 should have post mount springs up front (very late ones may have the 74+ setup?). You can easily tell this by looking at your front springs. Do they mount under the frame, or on the side of the frame. If they are post mount (side of the frame), then the 74 kit will not work. In which case you need to contact Hell Creek, as I believe them to be the only ones that make a post mount kit.
It is post mount, just wasn't sure if 74 was post mount in the front. Want to cover all options before hellcreek. Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Leaf springs lift kit

Post by FSJRomanGladiator » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:35 pm

74 is in the back only. i just replaced them without going to Hell Creek. They were very kind but wanted over $2K for a full set. I just can not afford that.

I put in the elbow grease and it worked out well. i might start a thread on it with all the skus and part numbers - in short bought the skyjacker JP40RS rear and used the OEM main spring. Replaced bushings and all good. The ride height did not change for me from 3" block with OEM springs to the 4" soft spring from Skyjacker.

I did advise Skyjacker to change the JP40RS applications years to 76 on their website.
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