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Door fiment issues

Post by Laredo Matt » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:19 pm

I've been doing body work on my 83 Laredo for the last 6-8 weeks...prime, sand, repeat...I know a lot of you have been through that and I'm so ready to be done :banghead: There is light at the end of the tunnel though. Still more to do but getting closer.

I decided to try and test fit the doors to make sure there were no issues before I do get to color. Passenger side is great. Set in place and adjusted and only took about an hour. Gaps good, body lines all perfect etc.

Driver side is a killing me. No luck so far. I've spent hours adjusting and still can get it right. Swigs freely, no biding but can't get gaps. Always pinched or close somewhere. I recall the fit being right when I bought it so assume it's just me.

After many hours, I measured jam width on passenger side top and driver side. Driver side door gap is about 1/8" narrower. Has anyone had similar issue or seen similar difference?

I'm gonna keep working it and realize it's probably just me but this thing is driving me nuts and I'm working alone which complicates it more.

Want to make sure I get doors set with proper gaps so I can lock the hinges in place and spray with the body. I don't plan on ever removing the hinges again once they're set! As long as I know the doors will adjust to fit properly. If I need to do any fab to change things I want to know now.

thanks!
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by FLeetFox » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:48 am

I spent hours on this as well. I mocked up before paint, and then after paint, and then again after weatherstrip. I would test fit with the new weatherstrip before paint as well.

Truth is, these trucks were not robot welded, so there is a lot of variation from unit to unit and even side to side. Add in to the equation that vehicles from this time period were not known for their excellent build quality or fit and finish.

All I can offer is my moral support. I'm pretty type A, and there came a point where I just decided to live with some of the imperfections.

I was just thinking that the pass side door on the AMC Pacer was designed longer than the driver's side...maybe....

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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by tgreese » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:22 am

1/8" difference side-to-side does not seem particularly shocking to me.

Not an expert at this topic - but I've seen the body guys push doors around with 2x4s levers to get them to line up. It's a skill that can require some caveman action sometimes. Is it the margin or the door frame that does not line up? If the door plugs the opening and latches without interference, I'd say you're good. You could grind down the edge of the outside lip if that's what's needed to make the gaps right.

Also the guys at the autobody101 forum have been friendly and helpful to me. This is not an issue restricted to Jeeps.
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by itselliott » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am

I also have issues...78 J20 I found that without new gaskets from BJ's the doors were perfect. then after gaskets it was all askew. I found smaller bulb diameter gasket material 3/8" vs 5/8" and now I am much happier ( still not perfect but acceptable.)


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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Laredo Matt » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:01 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

I'm still at it. Making some progress but am also a type A and like things done right. I do understand tolerances back in 83 were much different than what they are now so am willing to live with some things that I would like to be better understanding I don't have the skills to make them perfect.

I have dome some 2x4 experiments but am loath to start grinding. Simply because if I break a seam or something my welding skills are mediocre at best and I don't want create more problems I have to fix.

I've just about got them where I could live with them but have one last thing I'm going to try. Remove door and hinges and switch hinges around a bit. I labeled (tape) driver up/lower and pass upper/lower when I removed them but they all get mixed up during sand blasting. My fault, can't blame anyone else.

If that doesn't help improve anything, I'll get them back to where there are now and call it good...once i get all the weatherstrip and try that I guess. wasn't planned but sounds like something I should do.
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Stuka » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:14 pm

itselliott wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am
I also have issues...78 J20 I found that without new gaskets from BJ's the doors were perfect. then after gaskets it was all askew. I found smaller bulb diameter gasket material 3/8" vs 5/8" and now I am much happier ( still not perfect but acceptable.)
Yeah, everybody has issues with their door gaskets. They are way too thick and prevent the doors from closing properly. I even trimmed dem down some, and never got them to really work properly.
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Laredo Matt » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:17 pm

Stuka wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:14 pm
itselliott wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am
I also have issues...78 J20 I found that without new gaskets from BJ's the doors were perfect. then after gaskets it was all askew. I found smaller bulb diameter gasket material 3/8" vs 5/8" and now I am much happier ( still not perfect but acceptable.)
Yeah, everybody has issues with their door gaskets. They are way too thick and prevent the doors from closing properly. I even trimmed dem down some, and never got them to really work properly.
It seems like BJs is the best source for a complete set. I'm leaning to ordering from them. Are there others?
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Stuka » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:20 pm

Laredo Matt wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:17 pm
Stuka wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:14 pm
itselliott wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:09 am
I also have issues...78 J20 I found that without new gaskets from BJ's the doors were perfect. then after gaskets it was all askew. I found smaller bulb diameter gasket material 3/8" vs 5/8" and now I am much happier ( still not perfect but acceptable.)
Yeah, everybody has issues with their door gaskets. They are way too thick and prevent the doors from closing properly. I even trimmed dem down some, and never got them to really work properly.
It seems like BJs is the best source for a complete set. I'm leaning to ordering from them. Are there others?
Someplace on here, somebody found a set that fits perfect. I dont have time right this moment to dig it up. But if you search, you may find it. Was from like two years ago.
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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Laredo Matt » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:56 pm

Thanks Stuka. DId a quick search and came up with Team Grand Wagoneer, a kit from Walmart with part number and Bjs. I'll have to do a more thorough search and read the entire threads to see if I can find the post you are referencing. One more thing to do!
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Re: Door fiment issues

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Re: Door fiment issues

Post by Laredo Matt » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:24 am

going to try one last thing...just in case.

doors are off and now going to pull hinges. I put labels on when i took them off but those got taken off during sand blasting and I din't get them back on...doh. Does it matter?

Thought I'd try and move them around and see if I can get a better fit. Once I get the hinges set where I'm happy I won't remove them again. They are going to get painted in place with the body.

Looked in TSM and didn't see anything that would indicated one way or another on hing being specific to driver/passenger. They can all fit on either side so wouldn't see like it but small amounts of adjustment can matter so why not try.
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