pitam arm inner tie rod wide track

[dyermullet]

Looking for some ideas on replacement. As best I can tell out of stock everywhere the long inner tie rod / drag link for a wide track. This the longer tie rod that is between the steering box and the tie rods that go knuckle to knuckle. Narrow track seems to be in stock wide track can't find anywhere. BJs showed in stock so I tried to order from them, but they are also out of stock.

My joint has slop in it, I would really like to replace it. Is there another application I can get that part from that is close enough in length, or maybe longer and I can have it turned down and threaded? Maybe someone who custom makes tie rod ends?

Are they the same taper on pitman arm and the long outer tie rod? Possibly use two of the short tie rods, with tubing and jam nuts.

[tgreese]

You are looking for a 8123316? Apparently Crown made it at some time in the past. You could call the Crown warehouse and ask if they can find someone who has it in stock. https://www.morris4x4center.com/tie-rod ... 23316.html

I don't think there's any trouble finding tie rod ends that will fit the knuckle. You can't use two of the shorter ends because one end has left hand and the other has right hand threads. Thus when you turn the sleeve, the tie rod lengthens and shortens.

I would use the short end as a sample and find a matching left-hand and right-hand end. You can buy the tubing and make a tubular replacement. The taps for the tubing are expensive - it might be better to have the tie rod made by a 4x4 shop rather than buy the tools.

You could also buy the 8123315 and make a longer sleeve. https://www.morris4x4center.com/tie-rod ... 23315.html

[Yeller]

The taper is the very common “GM 1 ton”. Here’s a DIY kit. This kit uses the same ends as the short ends that are on the pitman arm and drivers side knuckle. This same company also sells the individual components as well.
https://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/TRESTAND-KIT.html

And your right, I checked a few of my sources and the wide track part is MIA for an undetermined amount of time.

[tgreese]

Huh. I thought that welded steering components are not legal some places. You'd think there would be a disclaimer in the seller's web page. I know you can buy the threaded inserts separately if you'd rather source the tubing and ends separately.

[dyermullet]

Looking at that link 8123316 only lists wagoneer, doesn't list J10, I am going to have to guess that it is narrow track part?

This doesn't go into the knuckle, it attaches to the tierod itself. Are all 4 joints the same taper?

Thank you for the correction on LH RH, it was late and I didn't think about how to make adjustment.

I had read somewhere that moog discontinued this part, it was still made by someone else I forgot who. Now out of stock everywhere.

I didn't know crown made this, I"ll find the right part number and see if I can find a crown part.

[dyermullet]

Some quick internet searching 8123316 was listed on summit as being 32.88". That seems to match mine, so that must be the wide track. Found these alternative part numbers:
MOOG DS896
AUTOSPECIALTY 12-87010
NAPA 269-6015
OE 8123316
OE J8123316
SEALED POWER 804-896

Now I have something to go off of. If I can't find anything then I will need to look at threaded tubing. I would like to avoid the welded inserts if I can due to time constraint.

thanks for the part number

[tgreese]

NP. I looked it up in the parts book. Easy. Free to read and download on the Tom Collins site. Learn to read the parts book, and it will help you.

8123316 (or J8123316, same thing) models 17, 20, 40; 23.88" in length - this is for the WT Cherokee and the J-trucks
8123315 (or J8123315) model 10 except for model 17; 21.88" in length - this is for the Wagoneer and NT CHerokee

I'd think you could use the 8123315 if you make an adjusting sleeve that's 2" longer. The 8123315 is currently available from Crown - see above.

Yeah, I had forgotten that there is a hole in the long tie rod. AFAIK all four holes are the same diameter and taper.

General advice - the aftermarket sellers are often clueless about applications for the parts they sell. Especially true for our Jeeps, which are oddballs and represent low sales volume if any. No economic incentive to monitor and correct listings.

Suggest the factory part number is your best tool for finding the right parts. Don't trust the aftermarket listings.

[dyermullet]

thanks. If I go with a narrow track tie rod end can get a moog or other quality part, I won't have to settle for a crown.

[tgreese]

1/4" wall means 1 1/4" - 1/2" = 3/4", I think. Suspect they drill the tubing to the tap size for the TRE, whatever that is.

For a truck I was going to putt around in, factory size would be ok for me. if you were building a rock buggy ...

[dyermullet]

You caught me before I edited my post to remove the wall thickness question. I was only subtracking one wall thickness not both. After I read what I posted I realized how dumb of a question it was a removed it.

[tgreese]

NP, thought so. Wondered if I should delete .. oh well. Might be helpful otherwise.

[Yeller]

Huh. I thought that welded steering components are not legal some places. You'd think there would be a disclaimer in the seller's web page. I know you can buy the threaded inserts separately if you'd rather source the tubing and ends separately.

Legal and DOT approved is a term that gets thrown around about a lot of things. I have yet to find any manufacturing requirements for any suspension and steering components, I’ve searched a lot. I used to manufacture a lot of suspension and steering components. There is no DOT approval on any suspension and steering parts. “Must be engineered to be of sufficient strength” is the requirement that me and my attorney at the time could find for suspension and steering components.

Yes all 4 tapers are the same. Pre 74 are the same as well but smaller, same size as a CJ.

[Stuka]

Huh. I thought that welded steering components are not legal some places. You'd think there would be a disclaimer in the seller's web page. I know you can buy the threaded inserts separately if you'd rather source the tubing and ends separately.

Legal and DOT approved is a term that gets thrown around about a lot of things. I have yet to find any manufacturing requirements for any suspension and steering components, I’ve searched a lot. I used to manufacture a lot of suspension and steering components. There is no DOT approval on any suspension and steering parts. “Must be engineered to be of sufficient strength” is the requirement that me and my attorney at the time could find for suspension and steering components.

Yes all 4 tapers are the same. Pre 74 are the same as well but smaller, same size as a CJ.

Yeah, weld together steering and suspension parts as very common. And they tend to be way strong than anything from the factory.

[rocklaurence]

I built this setup because of the expense of the Long tie rods. I haven't set a price yet but if your interested it can build one for you? This is my video describing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHcgTL5PRzc&t=155s

[dyermullet]

Thanks for the offer I already ordered parts last night. If it doesn't work out I will let you know. I have your hitch and it fit up nicely. I am waiting until truck is done to send you a picture of it in action.

This steering is a needed part I am glad someone is planning to make it specific for our trucks.

If it helps you any my 83 j10 measured 27 3/4" center to center on the "drag link".

[rocklaurence]

Im definitely looking forward to pictures.

[dyermullet]

Drag link and tie rod ends are here, hopefully install it this weekend.