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I'm going to apologize in advance for getting a bit long-winded with this initial posting but, our trucks have history that deserves being reported, and I really want to preserve what I know about mine.

Back in February 2010, I found this truck on Craiglist for my daughter and son-in-law to use to get in and out of their off-grid home in the Santa Cruz Mountains, about 2 miles from my Ranch. They had a very rough fire road to negotiate and it had been very hard on the Forester I gave them - my daughter doesn't like to drive under 45 mph, except in parking lots. After buying the rig my daughter dubbed it "Farnsworth" and, defying tradition, declared it to be, "he" not "she".

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A couple of years later, I spotted a nice '73 J4800 service body driver on CraigsList for only $1k and I talked them into buying her (again declared a "he" and renamed Sherman - the tank by my daughter). He made it home about 120 miles under his own steam, although stopping was interesting due to a non-functioning power-brake booster. That build is pending, and is posted on the Forum, but is being postponed for a while - I have yet to even bring him down from my now-sold Ranch.
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Four years of pretty rough riding through foot-deep ruts, 18" deep potholes and foot-high water-bars took it's tole on the suspension (never had more than two shocks on it anyway, one each on opposite corners) but he was otherwise a real trooper, always doing what was asked of him. An F250 4x4 diesel replaced him and Sherman as their daily commuters and so they were moved to the Ranch and put into semi-retirement. I had my built '75 CJ5 to use as my Ranch vehicle so I really didn't need to use the big boys.
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Fast forward to Sept 2015 and my kids moved to more civilized digs near the ocean, with pavement and everything and I sell the Ranch to move north to Shasta County, where my wife was born and raised. I also acquired and rebuilt a very nice '64 Pacific Mariner runabout and was looking for a period correct tow vehicle to haul it to our area lakes. Since the kids didn't want to have both trucks to their small lot, they gave me Farnsworth and I started looking at various options for making him a nice haul truck for my boat.
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Something like this is my goal.
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Back to history. Thanks to Google images, I located Farnsworth's original owner - his handle is MikeD on IFSJA - and he and his blog gave me a bit earlier history. Mike had a '69 Waggy, TH400 and Dauntless V8, that he called Fire Truck (after an exciting but small engine fire) that he was pouring love and $$$$ into (you know the mantra - JEEP, Just Empty Every Pocket). Anyway, Mike found the Glad he later called Speedy languishing in the woods, long abandoned with the driver's side window down and the gas cap off. For reasons only forum members will understand, in February 2002, Mike felt compelled to haul Speedy home and pour more hard earned $$$$ into another FSJ.
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At some point, Mike decided to part out his Waggy and various parts - Dash, Dauntless V8 and TH400 (to replace the knocking 327 and steller T-18A) found their way into Speedy.

Back to my saga. In late September, I cleaned the rat crap out of Farnsworth, changed fluids and got him started and running nicely, and was going to head home to the shadow of Lassen Peak, me in my daughter's F250 with a car trailer full of household goods, and her driving Farnsworth bringing up the rear. After I pulled onto US 101, I looked in my mirror to see if she was coming, just in time to see her merging into traffic at a pretty good pace, and then disappear, truck and all, in a cloud of black smoke and white steam. The truck emerged from the cloud diving for the shoulder. Yes, Farnsworth had thrown a rod.
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I towed him to a friend's shop about a mile away and there he sat until last weekend, when I trailered him home and began the search for a new engine.
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1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
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The engine search has been slightly problematic. I found one on eBay, local pickup in WI but for $3500 - nicely built with 100 miles on it - BUT $3500!!!! Our local (Sacramento) wrecking yard has a number of rebuildable Dauntless engines for $500 in my hands, and that's the way I'm leaning. I thought about a GM 5.3 or 5.7 but with the purchase, rebuild, adapter plate, bits and bobs to make it work with my tranny, or buying a replacement tranny, it would be very costly and I really don't want to spend that much on an engine. The Dauntless is still a nice strong engine and boring one out .030 over, with 10:1 pistons, a new carb and maybe a cam, it should serve me very nicely for as long as I want it, and then some.

I'm still looking for a good local shop to do the rebuild and heads, etc. Anyone that can recommend a shop in Redding, CA, I'm listening.
Tom
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1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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Remember it doesn't have to be a Jeep specific Buick 350. Several members here have grabbed them out of other cars of the same era.

I go to redding semi often, but have never had to have any machine work done there.
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Stuka wrote:Remember it doesn't have to be a Jeep specific Buick 350. Several members here have grabbed them out of other cars of the same era.

I go to redding semi often, but have never had to have any machine work done there.
Thanks Stuka - yes, I've been looking at Electras etc but nothing local and my yards only found me newer buick engines not the one I need. I'm going down to J & W tomorrow and pick up a long block, just to be safe. I'll pull the front clip after the snow on Monday, and pull the engine and take off the bits and pieces to haul it down to The Performance Shop. I got a bid for a full build, top to bottom, for $1950, out the door. They come well recommended and the guy has 30+ years personal experience, including having done more than a few Buick 350s - also AMC 327s and he probably rebuilt the 327 that came out of Farnsworth as he was building a lot of them for a guy who was flipping Jeeps back in the late '90s early 2000s - Mike D said he sold the knocking 327 in 2002 to a guy "who had a thing for AMC engines". Small world indeed.

I love hanging at J & W salvage great place to see only Jeep parts.
Tom
Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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Great story indeed. I cringed when I saw the block. Can't wait to see what you do with the dear old professor.
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Nutz-n-Bolts wrote:Great story indeed. I cringed when I saw the block. Can't wait to see what you do with the dear old professor.
She's on her way - really in pretty good shape. I snagged the last set of front springs for the early Glads from Springs and Things as there were two broken leaves on the driver's side and one on the passenger - due largely to my daughter's Baja 1000 driving style - she went through two sets of rear springs on the poor Forester before we put it out to pasture.

Yeah, PITA doing in an engine, probably the water jacket went and she hydrolocked sure was dramatic - which I had it recorded. :shock:

Doing a road trip tomorrow with my 86 year old father-in-law to visit B & W for an engine to rebuild - always a good time. One last check of CraigsList to see if I can snag a running Electra or something first. Wish I knew all the cars my engine was in.
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Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)

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If you need anything else for your FSJ look up BJ's off-road.com they specialize in nothing but FSJ's there great, awesome customer service and there here in Washington State so there not very far from you.


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Stephencrabtree wrote:If you need anything else for your FSJ look up BJ's off-road.com they specialize in nothing but FSJ's there great, awesome customer service and there here in Washington State so there not very far from you.


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Thanks Stephen. I've got a couple of hundred dollars of BJ stuff in the bed of Farnsworth right now - You're dead on, a great store with very helpful folks. I do have to make a trek up there one day - love to see the place, but I'll have to leave my wallet at home or I'll be in REAL trouble with two FSJs in my Jeep stable. I only wish they had MORE! :P
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Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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I have an engine! At least I think I do. I posted it on another thread but thought I should post it here too. So many have been so helpful in sourcing a cost effective replacement that I am eternally grateful.

The engine is another Buick 350, coincidentally a 1969. It came out of a matching SN Skylark that was owned by a "little old lady" who passed it on to her grandson. She took perfect care of the car while she owned it, oil changes every 3k etc etc. The grandson decided the 350 was too endemic for his taste - he wanted a muscle car - a Buick GS 455, so out comes the reportedly perfect, low miles 350 and in goes the beast. The performance shop gets to keep the 350 so onto a stand it goes and into a corner. One of the shop's partners was responsible for the finances while the main man wrenched, but the $$$$ guy failed to pay the taxes for a couple of years and the IRS took offence. When they came collecting, the shop went out of business and liquidated.

The seller had done some contracting work for the shop and was owed $$$, the shop mechanic owner, being a stand up guy, paid him what he could in cash and gave him some engines on stands and some other stuff to sell and try to get his money back. Onto CL went the engines and the Buick is mine, with the stand. No carb but otherwise it's complete.

The plan is to bring it home, do a comp test, bust it open, new gaskets and seals, new rings, new crank bearings and seals, new timing chain, etc. Then I'll pull what I need off my '65 Glad (4bbl and manifold, etc) install them on the Glads new heart.

While the front clip is off, I'll work on the engine bay, cleaning, tidying up wiring, painting and plating, and taking care of any rust repair, etc. After that, I'll plop the new engine in, fire her up and go for a ride.
Tom
Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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Great post! Any updates?
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Not yet. I have a Buick 350 in hand but other projects, like building my shops etc have taken too much time.
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Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)

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Maybe a Buick 455/400? Aren't they the same block--no replacement for displacement!!
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rocklaurence wrote:Maybe a Buick 455/400? Aren't they the same block--no replacement for displacement!!
The 455 is technically a big block, although not too much different in size than the 350 but does take a bit of work to make it right. It was actually based on the 430 and 400, not the 350, and it shares most parts with those engines. In stock form it produces more hp, but the power the 350 puts out is plenty for my purposes. The 400 was only produced for three years, the same as the 430 so they are not too common. I want to be able to bolt up easily what I have, like my strong TH400, so the easy route is another good Buick 350. I got this one for $300, including the engine stand so even if it needs a rebuild, I should come out okay - about $300 cheaper than a core at most yards.

I also very much like the idea that it was a FS Jeep production engine, although not in my '65 Glad.
Tom
Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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Well, this year has been a Jeep bust. Selling my ranch, moving all my stuff, buying two rental houses in the area and getting them going, building two shops and so on has sure put a damper on my plans for a build. Also, getting ever so close to '70 has me considering a real roll-back on projects.

My planned restoration of my '65 J2600 Glad is going to be abandoned as it was really only going to be a play-thing without real functionality. I just don't want to dump the money into an engine rebuild right now, along with the necessary cosmetics. I'll be selling it as a project for someone younger and more ambitious who wants to have something pretty rare and collectible.

I'm seriously thinking I'll sell my built '75 CJ5 304 V8 as I'm not really using it like I was at the ranch. I'm still in the mountains, but my property is pretty flat and my tractor does most of what I used my CJ for so, again, not really serving a purpose.

My '73 J4800 utility bed, now that's another story. I really need a tow vehicle as my wife's Isuzu I350 is really not up to towing my tractor to town and back, as I need to do now and and again. I also tend to really load up my dump trailer so I need something to peddle me down the hill and back up again - that's 3500' feet pulling four or five K. While a '73 anything would not be my first choice for the job, I REALLY can't be Jeepless and the J4800 is really the only unit I have that will serve my purpose.

As soon as I get insulation in my shop and my wood burner hooked up. That project will begin. Wish me luck.
Tom
Tall Cedars of Shasta County California Near Lassen Park
1965 J-2600 Buick 350 V8, Camper Special (6,000 lb GVW) (Engine Blown 10/2014 :-? )
1973 J-4800 Service Body, AMC 360 4bbl, T18A
1975 CJ-5, AMC 304 V8, T-15
1974 CJ-5, AMC IL 258, T-18A
1974 Dodge W300 Dump Truck (10,000 lb GVW) (Sold 11/2014)
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