What do you guys think of this cherokee chief ? Junk or ?

[sierrablue]

If it's pre- '80 and not a Qtrac, it's a Dana 20. Unless, very rarely, and only in the mid '60s, you got a Dana 21.

[tgreese]

Look at the shifter on the center hump of the floor. That's the Dana 20 shifter. The Quadratrac in '73 has a cable shifter for low range, and a vacuum dial in the glovebox for locked/fulltime. Quadratrac was optional in 1973. Mostly Wagoneers got it that year.

It could be a factory 4V. By '74 there was an N code and P code 360, with 2V and 4V resp. Dunno for sure, since I have no '73 TSM. The parts book does not show any 2-numbers for 4V carburetors; only 3-numbers (usually associated with the year of manufacture). Certainly in the prior years Jeep only offered a 2V V8 except for the 4V Super Wagoneer? That goes way back into my pre-pubescent years .

[tgreese]

If it's pre- '80 and not a Qtrac, it's a Dana 20. Unless, very rarely, and only in the mid '60s, you got a Dana 21.

AFAIK the single-speed Dana 21 only came with the 230 OHC six and the Borg-Warner M-series automatic transmission, ca 62-63-64. An automatic in a 4WD car was a new thing at that time. Apparently the thinking was you don't need low range with an automatic, instead using the 2-footed style driving at low speed. They changed their minds by 1965, when they abandoned the 230 domestically and went to AMC engines with the TH400 and Dana 20.

[candymancan]

Well i got the guy down to 6,000$ but he got weird.. i told him i need to collect the money so give ne a few days... and hes like oh you arent coming now.

Err i was busy all day mowing my 14 acres.. water the new grass.. etc we never agreed to meet today.

So he said i was a tire kicker... lol. Tol him thr onky thing im kicking is my foot up your a$$..

And btw the Jeeo was in fabulous shaoe but once he showed me the rear frame... pitting everywhere. Cross members rusting where they sit on the c channle lip.. causing it to bend the lip.. typical it seems but not 10,000$ worth.

So tbh after his insult.. I blocked him. Ill look elsewhere. The guy can kiss my ass. PUSHY as hell to get me to come THE SAME day we talked. Like really.. i gatta get the cash first.. two days is all i needed.

Plenty of other J4000s on fb. Maybe not complete like this.. but that frame pitting turned me off a tad. It looked like a river rock that got erroded ovee time and is wavy and bumpy.

[candymancan]

Well decided this is what ima do.

Im getting that blue jeep with the rotten frame in the last 2 1.2 feet if the frame. I already found a 8 foot frame from a 75 J10. And it has the bolt style leaf spring mounts for the rear versus thr boxed type. I

And this frame is mint minus surface rust all over Ill just swap the frame over. Or at the very least Ill swap the last 2 or 3 feet over. And weld/bolt diamond shapes plates over it where i cut it off/welded. I migjt have to cut it because while i have a garage i have no means to remove an engine trans. Axles. Cab etc.. but i csn remove the bed. And cut the frame off snd swap that over.



Frame is 300$ comes with dana 44s and the cab. But i dont really need all that jist the frame. And the blue Jeep is free just trade for my 1 gun. Or 1,000$ whichever.

I like thr Blue Jeep too much. All i see are tan interiors. And im not a fsn of that at all. I like the blue/white. And blue interior of this one.

I hope i can pick it up on sunday or monday. But it might storm though so maube best to wait fir the storm to pass. Hopefully my wagoneer csn handle hauling this thing. Im not too worried sbout the main roads. But this dude is like total redneck up a mountain and windy single lane roads/half are gravel.

It isnt going up thays the problem with the empty trailer. Its going down winding s shaped roads with the full load. Might have to stop at flat parts to make sure my brakes dont overheat

[candymancan]

Bah.. well bubba for the blue Jeep wont sell it now.. lol

So i found another this one is in wayyy better shape.. body and frame.. frame is mint actually.. its a short bed J10. Id prefer 8ft but short 7ft is ok. Not a fan of the tan interiors either.. so that sucks.

Also its a 6 cylinder 4.2, and its blown. Threw a rod. So id have to do an engine swap. But the guy has s title to it. And he will take 700$.

What do you guys think ? 700$ for this ? Im askin for pics of the bed itself. And the rear of the frame too.. So well see.

I really dont have the means for engine swapping but oerhaps like somesuggested i could rig a pully system in my barns huge poles to pull the engine out and put a new one in.

Ive never done an engine swap or removed an engine. How hard is it ? I imagine its just a matter of disonnecting hoses.. clutch fan/a.c and engine mount bolts. And whatever bolts for the transmission.. pulling it out and vice versa ?

Also which 258 engines will swap right into this ? Its a 1978 J10 quadra track automatic. What transmission came with the 6 cylinder ?

Do the 258s have any power to them at all ? Thats my main nose turner on this. Is the supposed 100hp inline 6 lol

[tgreese]

Bad points - a 258 with an automatic will seem quite slow to modern drivers. The 258 and automatic combo is too long to allow the low range unit, so it will be a single-speed transfer case. This may only apply to the wagons, but I think the trucks can't have low range too. The only way around this is to move the fuel tank to the rear. The engine comes with the universally hated 2V BBD carburetor, but it's before the emissions got complicated with an electronically controlled stepper motor idle jet. Check the TSM.

Good - All Jeeps up through 1979 came with the TH400 transmission. This is an exceptionally durable and reliable transmission, though not that efficient. The price seems excellent. Pretty much any 258 after 1972 will drop in. The 4.0L will also bolt in, but you'd have to accommodate the flywheel-mounted crank position sensor ... lots online about this. In terms of value, the short bed truck is more valuable than the long bed truck.

To replace an engine, you unbolt everything and lift it out. I'd remove the hood, though you could remove the whole front clip. Check the TSM for a stepwise list. Replace the front seal in the transmission.

You can buy a crank kit with all the bearings and a reconditioned crank, esp. if you have a core. These cranks are sought out for stroker engines. For a farm truck, you could put some rings and a crank in it and run it. Durable, reliable motor, very conventional. Easy shade tree project.

[candymancan]

So get it dont get it ?

Id have to pull this with my 90 GW.. its 4-5 hours away.. so 300 miles too.. and 300 miles back.. uhaul rental is 54$ a day. So its the 250$ in gas and 54$ rental and 14$ insurance.

Ill stay at 55mph. Or under.. people on 81 with the 70mph speed limit will hate me.. but they can go around me. My brakes are good on the 90. Drum brakes need replacing in the future soon. Disk are fine.. I got the v style hitch off the 78 cherokee. And a factory tow package. So lights. Tranny cooler etc.

But what do you think ? 300 mile treck doable ?

And 700$ good price for what you see ? Even with a bad engine.. has title and everything. I dont care about 4 low. I just want 4wd period. Ive honestly in my 15 years driving owning my Jeeps.. never once ever used it.. not on the 242 select trac ZJ.. or the 249 quadratrac ZJ.. or my 229 wagoneer.. and ive driven them in mud and 2/3 feet of snow.

Not gonna go wheeling with it.. just driving to and from the store.. and farm work hauling boards.. wood.. debris from clearing the woods for more land.. etc.

My 5300 lbs 90 is slow as snails. A 4100lbs J10 258 cant be much slower could it ? Or could it haha

[tgreese]

I don't know about the towing. UHaul probably won't rent to you if you are truthful about the cars.

As I wrote above, the price seems excellent if it's what you want. Great if you're going to putt around on the farm.

[candymancan]

Uhaul system says a j10 cant be pulled.. but a 3400lbs XJ can... so is that 700lbs REALLY a huge diff ? Ill just tell em im pulling a XJ or something

[tgreese]

I hear the tongue weight on the UHaul trailers is high, to make them stable on the highway. Won't the GW be a problem that way? The UHaul has surge brakes, IIRC.

[tgreese]

I would drive to look at it, buy it and have it shipped home.

[candymancan]

What do you mean wont the gw be a problem that way ?

Whats odd is this.. Wagoneer with a 360 is rated 5000lbs and 500 lbs tongue weight. A 401 is rated 7500lbs.. The only diff is the engine.

So Jeeps rating system confuses me.

Does anyone even know the class rating for the V style hitch ? Is it a class 3 or 4. Can it handle 5000 or 7500lbs. If a 401 says 7500lbs.. but we know there were onky v style hitchs back in the 70s.. then why auch a lower rating for a 360.

Hell my 98 ZJ 5.9 is rated 6500lbs. But uhaul says i cant pull it. They dont even give me an option to pick the engine. I their system is biased and doesnt go off full facts.

I called tow truck drivers want 1600$ to ship it 300 miles.. I am not paying near 2000$ to ship a Jeep 1 state over

[tgreese]

The UHaul store has to agree to rent to you. They have some lookup table of towing and towed vehicles. Supposedly it varies from store to store.

If a relative has a Corolla or such, borrow it and go look. There and back in a day. Then pay to have it transported.

[candymancan]

I cirrect nyself a 360 is 5000lbs and 750lbs tongue limit. The uhaul at 6400lbs total weight at 10% is 640lbs tongue.

I think im well within spec Here and itll be fine

Uhauls system doesnt even go off engines of ratings from factory.. my ZJ has a higher rating and it still claims it cant do it. Uhauls system is odd. They must be going off the 4.0 not the 5.9

[tgreese]

...
I think im well within spec Here and itll be fine ...

Why do you bother to ask?

[candymancan]

Because ive never hauled a car before short of pulling one with a strap 15 miles down the road haha. Im always a nervous nancy on first times.

Anyway.. So do you think this Green J10 looks good based on the pics ? Even with a bad engine.

So a 4.0 woukd actually bolt to a th400 ? What about the obd2 computer and such ?

[tgreese]

Oh yeah. I like the 258 a lot. Excellent motor. The PO had to work pretty hard to ruin it. It's a Quadratrac; you've been around here enough to know what that includes.

Yes, the 4.0L will bolt up to the TH400. Same AMC pattern as the 258 and 360. This a TH400 made for AMC to fit AMC engines, not a Chevy transmission. Read my previous post again.

The 4.0L fuel injection needs a window in the bell housing for crank timing that the TH400 does not have. You can buy a kit to mount the crank sensor on the front, but it's bit expensive. You can also run a 4.0L carbureted, if you'd rather. The 258 intake will bolt on and use the original exhaust. No personal experience with the 4.0L, but it's been covered online quite a lot. Make sure you don't get one of the revised 4.0Ls from a WJ or such that won't match the 258 mounting brackets.

[candymancan]

Might just stick with a 258 to make it less complicated tbh. One has 200k locally.. the other is unknown miles.

This is why i would rather fix rust than buy a engine people claim is good to find out its not LOL.

Oh well going to be a learning expereimce if i get this i guess. Not sure if this 258 is 2 or 1bbl though.

The main thing i actually dont like about this Jeep is that yucky interior lol. I absoluterly HATE tan/sand interiors on these Jeeps. Id rather it be blue. Or black . Lol. But blue wouldnt look right with the green paint would it. The tan/sand interior i noticed on the J trucks . Fades weirdly.. door panels look yellow.. daah is brown.. rest is still sandy.. So off putting lol.

Not a huge fan of the green paint either. But hey 700$ right ?

Yea i have no idea how he threw a rod through the block.. He musta ran it with no oil or something.. im amazed he managed this.

[tgreese]

2V.

My J10 is black, and it looks nice. The J20 is tan with white exterior. Very practical for Arizona. I like the green color, and it would go good with the tan interior.

Generally you don't get to pick colors when you buy a used car.