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Not sure how well it'd actually work considering the injector is below the throttle plates and isn't multi port. Might be good for cold weather if you could turn it off
It reminds me of the fuel injection system on my '86 Camaro. It's got a V-6 - and Chevy solved the problem of initial enrichment by simply adding a 7th injector that presumably squirts just on start up.
I bet K&N sell a bunch. Question, though. Does it need anything more than a mechanical fuel pump?
And previous posters are correct....still saddled with the carb, which most people can't get their head around. And might as well spring for full on fuel injection.
So what’s the recommended EFI kit for an 88 wag? This will be a DD but I’ll be adding some performance to it like an intake, CAM and it already has a TFI ignition upgrade.
Also how difficult is the upgrade? I have some experience but I would say im by no means able to do extremely complicated upgrades.
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
Rinkle_Stinkle wrote:So what’s the recommended EFI kit for an 88 wag? This will be a DD but I’ll be adding some performance to it like an intake, CAM and it already has a TFI ignition upgrade. Of course the other upgrades will happen later when I rebuild the engine. I’m just trying to get an overall game plan on where I want to be in the next few years.
Also how difficult is the upgrade? I have some experience but I would say im by no means able to do extremely complicated upgrades.
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
Rinkle_Stinkle wrote:So what’s the recommended EFI kit for an 88 wag? This will be a DD but I’ll be adding some performance to it like an intake, CAM and it already has a TFI ignition upgrade.
Also how difficult is the upgrade? I have some experience but I would say im by no means able to do extremely complicated upgrades.
Just about any will work. Howell makes a kit just for the 360. But holleys new 2bbl efi system looks good. Also if you have a lot of cash edelbrock has a multi port kit
Rinkle_Stinkle wrote:So what’s the recommended EFI kit for an 88 wag? This will be a DD but I’ll be adding some performance to it like an intake, CAM and it already has a TFI ignition upgrade.
Also how difficult is the upgrade? I have some experience but I would say im by no means able to do extremely complicated upgrades.
Just about any will work. Howell makes a kit just for the 360. But holleys new 2bbl efi system looks good. Also if you have a lot of cash edelbrock has a multi port kit
To be honest I would like to stay at $1k and under. I have a lot to do on the wag including an engine in the semi near future so 2-3K upgrades may have to take a back seat for now.
I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
d4xycrq wrote:It reminds me of the fuel injection system on my '86 Camaro. It's got a V-6 - and Chevy solved the problem of initial enrichment by simply adding a 7th injector that presumably squirts just on start up.
Toyota used a system like that too. Junk.
For under $1k you can get a basic FiTech. Or for right at $1K you can get the basic Holley Sniper setup. You'll need to spend a few more bucks on a fuel pump and intake manifold, assuming you have neither. I'd go with the Holley Sniper personally.
Hey, hey, hey! My 2.8L 86 Camaro starts on the button! Absolutely perfect! Can't get out of its own way, though!
>>>Toyota used a system like that too. Junk.
For under $1k you can get a basic FiTech. Or for right at $1K you can get the basic Holley Sniper setup. You'll need to spend a few more bucks on a fuel pump and intake manifold, assuming you have neither. I'd go with the Holley Sniper personally.[/quote]
d4xycrq wrote:
Toyota used a system like that too. Junk.
For under $1k you can get a basic FiTech. Or for right at $1K you can get the basic Holley Sniper setup. You'll need to spend a few more bucks on a fuel pump and intake manifold, assuming you have neither. I'd go with the Holley Sniper personally.
So it says a high pressure fuel pump is needed. Anyone have a link?
I’d imagine it doesn’t need to be a FiTech brand
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
swampedge wrote:This would work good for a vehicle that sees a lot of altitude changes as it’s driven. Heavy loads or launches at the drag strip. Everyday use? Jim
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I like the fact you can stack the plates to add 2 injectors (but that obviously doubles the price). I also like the ease of installation as well. no need to put in a high pressure fuel pump (that I'm aware of). With the O2 sensor it can detect AFR and adjust it accordingly. You can adjust the spray amount, pulse time and shape of the spray.
I get its still using a Carb, but it does appear to give those who love a carb the ability to still keep their carb and not have to worry about the headaches of cold starts without breaking the bank and causing an installation nightmare.
That being said I'm still not sure I would purchase it. I appreciate the input I received and will continue looking at more possibilities because I have lots of time before I make this mod.
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
so looking at the Fitech system I'm definitely interested in that rout. it got extremely good reviews and seems pretty simple other that the fuel pump which doesn't seem too complicated in itself.
here's my question though. Do I hook up the electronic fuel pump and allow it to feed through the mechanical pump already in place? I would imagine I would disconnect the mechanical when I install the electronic and does anyone have a write up on this install?
I'm looking at the Holley Electric Fuel Pump part# 12-801-1.. good pump?
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust
Rinkle_Stinkle wrote:
I'm looking at the Holley Electric Fuel Pump part# 12-801-1.. good pump?
Wrong pump.
No idea if it's good or not but it won't work for a FiTech or Sniper.
Read the manuals for whichever system you go with, but I believe they both require 55psi. You need an EFI compatible fuel pump, preferably without a regulator.
I'd retrofit an XJ pump into your tank, or run a Ford external pump if I had to (I do not like external pumps).
swampedge wrote:This would work good for a vehicle that sees a lot of altitude changes as it’s driven. Heavy loads or launches at the drag strip. Everyday use? Jim
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I like the fact you can stack the plates to add 2 injectors (but that obviously doubles the price). I also like the ease of installation as well. no need to put in a high pressure fuel pump (that I'm aware of). With the O2 sensor it can detect AFR and adjust it accordingly. You can adjust the spray amount, pulse time and shape of the spray.
I get its still using a Carb, but it does appear to give those who love a carb the ability to still keep their carb and not have to worry about the headaches of cold starts without breaking the bank and causing an installation nightmare.
That being said I'm still not sure I would purchase it. I appreciate the input I received and will continue looking at more possibilities because I have lots of time before I make this mod.
I don't see how it has any useful control of the AFR, as it can only enrich the mixture. Half of the problem with carbs is that they go rich. You're still going to get puddled fuel on cold starts, meaning as much as this thing tried the AFR is going to go all over the place. I guess you could tune the engine lean and disable the choke, but that is creating a solution for a problem at that point. With only an O2 sensor it is purely reactionary, no decent fuel control system works this way, everything has some means to anticipate via some other sensors (TPS, MAF, MAP, etc in EFI, the actual throttle linkage is used in mechanical FI and with a carb). As there is lag between the actual lean/rich condition and the O2 sensor picking it up, and then the system being able to adjust, and then that fuel to actually make its way into the combustion chamber, there will be constant fluctuation in the AFR.
swampedge wrote:This would work good for a vehicle that sees a lot of altitude changes as it’s driven. Heavy loads or launches at the drag strip. Everyday use? Jim
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I like the fact you can stack the plates to add 2 injectors (but that obviously doubles the price). I also like the ease of installation as well. no need to put in a high pressure fuel pump (that I'm aware of). With the O2 sensor it can detect AFR and adjust it accordingly. You can adjust the spray amount, pulse time and shape of the spray.
I get its still using a Carb, but it does appear to give those who love a carb the ability to still keep their carb and not have to worry about the headaches of cold starts without breaking the bank and causing an installation nightmare.
That being said I'm still not sure I would purchase it. I appreciate the input I received and will continue looking at more possibilities because I have lots of time before I make this mod.
I don't see how it has any useful control of the AFR, as it can only enrich the mixture. Half of the problem with carbs is that they go rich. You're still going to get puddled fuel on cold starts, meaning as much as this thing tried the AFR is going to go all over the place. I guess you could tune the engine lean and disable the choke, but that is creating a solution for a problem at that point. With only an O2 sensor it is purely reactionary, no decent fuel control system works this way, everything has some means to anticipate via some other sensors (TPS, MAF, MAP, etc in EFI, the actual throttle linkage is used in mechanical FI and with a carb). As there is lag between the actual lean/rich condition and the O2 sensor picking it up, and then the system being able to adjust, and then that fuel to actually make its way into the combustion chamber, there will be constant fluctuation in the AFR.
fair enough... this is why I come on here because once I start to think I understand something I'm typically proven I simply don't have a clue hahahaha
1988 Grand Wag
AMC 360 with 96K
Edelbrock intake manifold
260H Comp Cam
Edelbrock AVS 4brl carb
Headman headers
2" to thrush muff with 3" tip exhaust