Awesome! I will contact S&J to get a quote.ShagWagon wrote:I sent mine to S&J. $50 for shipping. And $1700 for a basic rebuild. I had to pull it and put it on a pallet.
I had them do a performance cam, oil tube mod, roller rockers and better chrome moly lifters for about $900 more.
There's a guy on here somewhere that does rebuilds SC397 or something that seems better but I had already sent mine off.
I don't know the HP not sure where to Dyno test out here in the country.Rinkle_Stinkle wrote:Awesome! I will contact S&J to get a quote.ShagWagon wrote:I sent mine to S&J. $50 for shipping. And $1700 for a basic rebuild. I had to pull it and put it on a pallet.
I had them do a performance cam, oil tube mod, roller rockers and better chrome moly lifters for about $900 more.
There's a guy on here somewhere that does rebuilds SC397 or something that seems better but I had already sent mine off.
do you know what HP you ended up with after the rebuild?
rocklaurence wrote:ii went through BJs for a rebuild and they worked real hard at delivering the item. THey're prices are resonable also. I'm in the process of stabbing it in now and will report on how it runs.
4 k is right around where I need to be.FSJ Guy wrote:Figure $3,000 if you have the machine shop do the fancy stuff and you fit everything together.
BTW, your final cost will end up around $4,000, of course. LOL!!
Wow, thanx for the details!nograin wrote:That's about right - Depends on where you live and what type of shops are near you. Shop rates can vary considerably depending on their overhead. That is, if they are renting in a location with high property costs, have service manager in addition to the owner, things like that can drive shop rates over $100 / hr easy. Other places with low property costs, owner operator, and so forth can be $55 - 60. Both within an hours drive of me. Other places price the work by 'the book' and its up to the technician to get it done in the estimated time.
I had an engine rebuilt for under $ 2000 from a long time shop which had good history. That included boring .030" over and new pistons to match. But they got lazy (or stupid) and re-used the rusty valve springs and rockers. Talking with my buddy who has a steady stream of engine work to get done, we discovered afterwords that things were sliding downhill that year. But a stock rebuild can be anywhere from 1700 to 3000 IMO. Removal and install for probably $750 to $2000 depending on experience and location. The question is what is may get done during the swap. If there is transmission fluid coing out of the front seal - will they address it then? How about if the exhaust manifolds need some off engine work? Will the stop and give it to you? Will they do it themselves or will they ignore it?
For as close to stock as possible, what parts needed will all depend on the condition. If the bore is scratched up or worn too deep, it will need oversized pistons and reboring to the new size. Otherwise, the existing can be reused. Rust on any part - replace. Heads - may need some work - depends on condition. The valve need to seal and the stems move freely but not sloppy or it will burn oil. New seats and valve guides will drive up costs. Those are the main tasks I would consider Machine Shop jobs (valve jobs, valve seats, valve guides, boring). I'd have a shop do the cleaning too (hot tank).
Does the knock get worse or better with warm up? If so, if better it may be piston slap and you can get by for a while. If the knock gets worse under load and with increasing rpm - more likely bearing and it will only get worse.
well I want to keep the original engine. Its still the original and would like to keep this as original as possible. I guess I'm just weird like that.440sixpack wrote:If you need to drive it buy a 360 off craigslist and rebuild it in your spare time , they're cheap. and then sell yours after the swap.
440sixpack wrote:I'm all about matching numbers so I get what you're saying. but the only way to tell your 360 block from any other is the valve cover tag.
If it were me I'd build up the 360 I wanted and swap it when you're done. it will be cheaper and less work in the end.
Cheap Hobby wrote:When you are getting quotes from a machine shop make sure it includes valve job. And make sure they are familiar with our heads, they have some of the hardest valve faces made. Also find out when the take measurements to see if block and crank are good. Some will only do it after cleaning so you get stuck with a clean shiny boat anchor. Also ask what is included for the price. You don't want to be expecting an engine ready for paint and get a bare block and 3 boxes of parts.
Don't be scared to talk to the local shop that is known for vintage race or antique engines. They usually have the best knowledge base, best parts sources and often the best value for your money.
tgreese wrote:Couple of comments - Often, when a shop does not want to do the work, they will quote a price that should be guaranteed to send the customer away. Looked at another way, a high price may be their honest estimate of what it would take for them to work on a car they would otherwise not want in the shop. A Wagoneer is both old and an oddball, and there's some risk involved in working on a car you know little about.
If you find a local shop that will do the job for a reasonable price, and they have a decent reputation, likely they will want to install a factory-built long block using your engine as a core. This off-loads the risk of a bad engine to the rebuilder, since the engine will come with a guarantee. If something goes wrong, the factory will send the shop another engine and pay for their time to do the second R&R. If you bought the engine and did the install yourself, the factory likely would not pay for your time if you got a bad engine, since you are not ASE certified.
If you want to know more about the process, I suggest reading Tom Monroe's book https://www.amazon.com/Engine-Builders- ... 1557882452 - you will then understand the process much better, and be in a better position to decide how to proceed.