REDONE wrote:One of my favorite parts of the trailhawk package on my Cherokee is that the bottom is completely armored. It's not "slide across boulders" armored, but it's "slide over rocks between the ruts" armored. Not going to snag a brake line or pinch the exhaust.
Jeep had stood behind it, too. We knew that being a first year that the Uconnect had a known issue, so we told them it was acting up and they replaced it with the fixed version no questions asked. We also knew the transmissions had a fraction of a percent failure rate for the 4lo, but that it was getting a ton of bad press, so we wheeled it until it broke. Again, full replacement for the improved version, no questions asked. (I asked about a break in procedure and the shop manager told me "yeah, try to break it again. It's a Jeep.").
The lack of flex is more than compensated by the locker and traction control, as well as the long arm independent suspension I love the feeling I get on three wheels or flying down rough roads that would rattle my fillings out in my SJ or ZJ.
In three years when it's paid off, we'll get something bigger (presumably a new Wagoneer provided is not Chinese) for my wife to drive and THEN I can start modifying the TH. I want to make some dropped spindle gear reduction hubs, enlarge the wheel wells and get some 33s under it.
Wish I'd known. I was on Green mtn days before you and will be back there for deer season. Would have been awesome to meet up with y'all.tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Not bashing your rig at all. I am very curious to see how these newer jeeps hold up loooong term. Will they still be functional and have value in 20-30 years? For me it's more the fact that much of them, while generally well engineered, are made of plastics and lighter/ fairly automobile duty parts. Plastic tends to break down over time and become brittle. Light duty components may last, may not. May simply require more maintenance as they do start to wear out... I honestly can't say. I'm curious to find out. I wonder if in 50 years there will be a website for those who are collecting and restoring their 1st gen renegade or compass...?REDONE wrote:Last weekend I lead this convoy with my 2014 Cherokee TH across 500 miles, 100 of which was WY double track and another 40 was WY washboard. We went to the White River National Forest, Fantasy Canyon, Dinosaur National Monument, Green Mountain (Wyoming, north of Rawlins), all the way into the hinterlands in the path of totality for the eclipse. Remember, pics never do the trail justice.Kaiserman wrote:
New Jeeps are junk econo boxes with no legitimate off road or work ability. The the sole exception being the Wrangler.
You don't have to like new Jeeps, but mine did everything a stock 1979 Cherokee Chief Widetrack could do, and it got 32mpg doing it. I felt bad for all those straight axles across the washboard too. I had to stop every so often to let them catch up, and I felt like I was going slow!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Mars wrote:One man's trans leak is another's penetrating oil
My guess is the manual won't have it, as you end up with a very jerky stop. And since the manual will only be available behind the base 3.6L on the JL, it will be low production.Grand_Wag_85 wrote:I wonder how that engine stop feature will work for manual transmissions?
My JK(12) has some sort of hill assist feature that annoys the hell out of me. Stopped at a red-light on a hill and the jeep will apply extra braking pressure for about a minute. After that minute or so with your foot still on the brake in the same position the Jeep starts rolling back until you apply more brake pressure.
Part of it can be shut off but must be done every time you start the Jeep.
On the other hand it is an awesome feature to have for off-roading!
Sent from my HTC One A9 using Tapatalk
So the common denominator is long term pensions (likely insisted upon by the unions) and retirees living too long?rocklaurence wrote:Everyones forgetting Dodge/Chrysler history. SCirus bought the failing company as an investment to FLIP with $3 billion in assets and $7 billion in retirement/Union liability. Then Diamler bought it and fired the CEOs and raped the technolgies. Then it was rolled over to Fiat for whatever reasons [IDK-access to US market] and now Fiat is looking to unload it [because of the Liability of Pentions/retirements etc]. No company can keep Dodge/Chrysler because of the long term expenses. Now the Chinese want it to get access to the US market and to capture the technology. After a few years, they'll also look to unload it due to the long term liability. Dodge is dying a slow death
I was talking to a local Ford stuward and he was bragging that Ford only has 5 retirees for every one currently working and he said that that was an acceptable/Fluid ratio [What!] and that Doge has a ratio of 9:1---yikes
Pretty good, from ultimatum, to pressure, the following article mentioned "favored". As usual a little nudge goes a long way... toward your friend the bankers... in the end it is always about billions.candymancan wrote:Fiat bought Chrysler because obama gave them an ultimatum. This was when the car companies were bailed out and he brought out cash for clunkers..
Fiat was allowed to buy them because of pressure from thr obama administration..
letank wrote:
With the announcement of Chrysler’s bankruptcy, President Barack Obama favored a reorganization plan which would allow unsecured creditors to essentially leapfrog the claims of Chrysler’s first-lien lenders. In what appeared an obvious breach of the Constitution, the U.S. government’s plan transferred a majority of Chrysler’s reorganized stock over to Fiat and unsecured creditors for no consideration other than a promise to build more fuel-efficient vehicles in the U.S. over time. Chrysler’s Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association (“VEBA”) Trust, a trust fund formed to provide benefits to Chrysler’s retirees, received the initial majority of Chrysler’s reorganized stock under the plan. However, over time Fiat was able to earn/purchase a majority stake in Chrysler by exercising lucrative options it received under the U.S. government’s plan.
They say Satan knows the bible better than anyone...tedlovesjeeps71 wrote: For a "Constitutional scholar".... He sure allowed, if not personally pushed, for a goodly number of UNconstitutional acts...
whats your point. oressure and ultimatum.. he did both. He did a lot of slimey BEEP but i wont get into that.. lolletank wrote:Pretty good, from ultimatum, to pressure, the following article mentioned "favored". As usual a little nudge goes a long way... toward your friend the bankers... in the end it is always about billions.candymancan wrote:Fiat bought Chrysler because obama gave them an ultimatum. This was when the car companies were bailed out and he brought out cash for clunkers..
Fiat was allowed to buy them because of pressure from thr obama administration..