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Paint Prep

Postby deckroid » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:53 pm

Well, it's now time to paint the Grand Wagoneer. Back in May, I was sideswiped and had to replace the hood and driver front panel. There was a dent in the passenger door when I bought it and the auto body shop that did the work for the accident said it would be 600 bones to pull the dent out of the door, but I found a replacement at a pull apart for only $100 bucks. Spent a few hours this past Sunday getting the door on. To be fair, it took 20 mins to pull the trim, wires and door off. About 10 mins getting the door back on and a whopping 2 hours getting the door aligned properly. I will say, there was much beer consumed and salty talk because that [BEEP] door just didnt want to play nice.

When I did a walk around with the painter in July, he said that he would charge me $80 bucks an hour to remove the vinyl, door handles, etc etc... but he sold me 3 eraser wheels for 10 bucks each and gave me a list of what to remove. He is still going to spot weld the holes from the trim as I am going to wait until spring to put replace the wood trim. Still looking for options on that... TeamGrandWagoneer vs BJs vs ??? vs painted to look like wood (saw that on a video about a brit flipping vehicles... he only asked 26k for that rig in the end)

Here's some pics... some from a few days ago when I started and some from when I stared to work on it today, but it started to rain and I called it a day. (first time it has rained since early June)

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby tedlovesjeeps71 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:01 pm

It's been my experience that the more prep you do, the more reasonable the painter will be. Just do what you can to make it as easy as possible for him and you may get the paint job you want.

If your going to replace the woodgrain and trim later, why fill in the holes? That will make it much harder to replace everything... IMHO.

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby SJTD » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:01 pm

Not to mention the additional work at $80/hr to weld, sand, fill, sand ...

And the burned paint on the inside to fix so it doesn't rust.

Then there's the new holes that'll rust unless you're going to use an adhesive or foam tape to install the trim.
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby dodgerammit » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:12 am

Mine turned out great. I did the vinyl myself. Ordered a non original color that I liked from metro restyling's ebay page.

Rewrapped my own trim. Saved a ton of $$$.

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Never had done anything like this before. I am happy with how it went.

After the paint gasses off thoroughly, get some microfiber cloths, rubbing alcohol, a heat gun, and some posterboard for templates. Roll up your sleeves and get to it.

I can't recommend the 3M #94 adhesive primer enough. Get it!
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby ShagWagon » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:39 am

Saw a place on eBay a few years ago that would sell you some wood trim for about $300? Maybe less. If you sent in your old ones first so they could re paint them. Probably the route I'll go.
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby deckroid » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:38 pm

dodgerammit wrote:Mine turned out great. I did the vinyl myself


Holy crap that looks nice. How long did it take you to cut out the pattern? I don't know if I can revinyl it... pretty much no talent.

Most the replacement trim I have seen is stick 'em, which is why I am having the holes filled in. Not to mention that I do not have garage space for this vehicle, so it is going to be out of doors. If I can't get to covering the holes with vinyl and sticky trim tape until Spring, I don't want all that wet getting in my doors.

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby dodgerammit » Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:59 pm

deckroid wrote:
dodgerammit wrote:Mine turned out great. I did the vinyl myself


Holy crap that looks nice. How long did it take you to cut out the pattern? I don't know if I can revinyl it... pretty much no talent.

Most the replacement trim I have seen is stick 'em, which is why I am having the holes filled in. Not to mention that I do not have garage space for this vehicle, so it is going to be out of doors. If I can't get to covering the holes with vinyl and sticky trim tape until Spring, I don't want all that wet getting in my doors.


I used posterboard and made templates. That way, all my fudge ups were on $0.33 paper. The vinyl really isn't much on the talent side. It is big on the patience side.
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby fulsizjeep » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:36 am

Good luck with the prep work but I have one question. Once you bust a Waggy out of the wood crate, why go back?
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby jsinajeep » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:17 am

If you are going to make a beater out of the Wagon you don't want the wooden crate on the sides,
but if you want a good looking Wagon for a DD or to sale the wooden crate is the way to go.

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby deckroid » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:39 am

This is my DD, fishing hole finder, camping, road tripping, desert/mountain/prairie What's Over There vehicle. While I like Wagoneers that are bare, I have to have the woody look. When someone talks about their Grand Wagoneer, until I see a pic or in person, in my mind it is always wrapped in wood.

What I am looking for is a vinyl that will last another 35 years. One of the wrapping places close to me said their stuff will last about 5 to 8 years. (The store rig out front was done 3 years ago and it is already super faded) I am hoping to build a shop within 3 years for all my tools and wood working machinery, then I can fit the Jeep in the garage. Until then... it will be outside like a wet puppy.

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Paint Prep **** UPDATE ****

Postby deckroid » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:33 am

Been super busy, but...

Oct 22nd, I borrowed a vehicle tow rig and took the GW down to the painters...

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This is the panel the body shop replaced after the accident. They said it had zero rust. It did too until I removed the vinyl.
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When I bought the Jeep, there was a pretty good sized ding in the door that 2 different shops said would be about 500 bucks to take out. I found a door (after looking for a LONG time... GWs aren't easy to find around southern Idaho) and was apprehensive about putting it on. I shouldn't have been. The door itself was on in 20 - 30 mins. Getting it to close right and hang just so took another hour.
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After 2 weeks, I went back down to the painters to take more photos...

They filled in the holes a little too well! The lower tailgate holes where the chrome plates go were welded and covered... oh, well. I will have to tap them when I go to put everything back.
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Notice the rusted spot... GONE.
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When she comes back, I am planning on some dynamat on the doors. Maybe inside the door too... not sure.

Other things needed:

Muffler
Suspension - (bjs, skyjacker... dunno yet)
Seats recovered
Retro-Radio... I want bluetooth while I run around

Short list. Much shorter than when I started 2 years ago!

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby dodgerammit » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:41 am

:-bd Nice. Bet you can't wait to see the finished product. Biggest thing is allowing the paint time to gas off before reinstalling the vinyl wrap.
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby deckroid » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:32 am

I was thinking May/June anyway, so that should be enough time!

My insurance guy is having kittens about how to insure this... he cant believe that the book jumps from 5500 to 13k with just a paint job.

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby candymancan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:19 pm

wish i had a garage man... i hate living in a townhouse with no garage lol
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Re: Paint Prep

Postby jpswapmohn » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:40 pm

Insurance is a legit question. I am assuming I will need to go to Hagerty’s or somewhere to get mine insured once it is done. I imagine USAA will not be interested in carrying it once i have it appraised. Any other options out there?

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby deckroid » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:47 pm

I was told 2 things by a classic car guy here in Idaho... travellers does a good job because they are brokers and can shop around instead of being locked in to an insurance pproduct, so look for a broker agent... and always keep records, receipts, photos of receipts, photos of before and after, document everything. Even if you do your own work... most good insurance brokers will try to work with you when it comes to appraisals if you have proof of work done.

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Re: Paint Prep

Postby candymancan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:36 pm

USAA will insure it based on what they think its worth my 90 i pay like 25$ a month for liability... Pretty sure they valued the Jeep at like 800$.. Oh well lol

I know my county says its worth 800$ so my property taxes are nothing
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