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Hi,

My name is Fred, I'm from the Netherlands. I'm a Jeeper for more then 10 years. Had 2 cj7 and 2 wagoneers.
Sold one CJ and kept the rest.. How spoiled is that? :D
One of my wagoneers is 1971 and the vin starts with 1414x. in my search on the Internet of what model this is , the result was that it is a Super Wagoneer or a Special Wagoneer.
It has the exact interior and exterior( even the set of alloy wheels) of a super wagoneer with floor shifter and AC, but it does not have a dauntless engine but a normal 360.

Can anyone tell me more about these wagoneers?

Thanks!
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Re: 1414x

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Hi Fred - Welcome to the forum! 1971 was the changeover year to the 360 from the Buick (Dauntless?) This combination does not seem at all surprising to me. Supposedly both engines were available in 1971, and 1971 was a carry-over year from Kaiser ownership to AMC. In 1972, the VINs changed, but a '71 should have the Kaiser-style VIN that could start with 1414X.

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Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
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Re: 1414x

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Hi Fred. The 1414X Wagoneer basically has the Super Wagoneer interior with a unique exterior trim package. The exterior trim of the Super Wagoneer is completely different. The 1414X was a step below the Super (vin 1414D) and one step above the Custom (vin 1414C).

The 1414X was initially built with the Dauntless 350, then later switched to the AMC V8 sometime in 71.

By the way, no 1973 or older Wagoneer ever came with anything but steel wheels and hubcaps. So if you have alloy wheels they are not stock.
1971 J2500 Gladiator Custom-Cab Platform Stake on 126" wb. B350/T18A/D20 D60/D60-3 w/locker 4.10's Ramsey 8klb PTO winch, Day-brook dump. 225/95R16's
1969 J3800 Gladiator 3407Z Camper Truck. B350/T18A/D20 D44/D60-3 w/4.10's
1968 Wagoneer Custom 327/TH400 Mostly Stock
1987 Cherokee Laredo 2-Door 4.0L/AW4 4" lift OEM swing out tire carrier and brushguard

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Re: 1414x

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Hi,

Thanks for the quick answers, appreciate it very much! I will post some pictures soon. I'm glad it's normal that the motor can be a 360. The type of wheels that I have on there are the same as most of the super wagoneers pictures I found on the net.
Oh and sorry if my reply will be a little later, it's because of the time difference.
Bye!
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Welcome to fun Fred! I'm looking forward to some pics and glad to have you here!
79 J-10 (Honcho Mucho) KE0LSU
304/Performance Fuel Injection TBI/MTA1/SP2P/Magnum rockers
T18/D20/D44s&4.10s/33" Mud Claws
Grizzly Locker Rear
4" front spring drop, 5" rear shackle flip
Chevy style HEI (ECM controlled)
Dolphin "Shark" gauges in a fancy homemade oak bezel
3/4 resto, rotting faster than I've been fixing it.

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Hi everyone, as promised a few pictures of my ‘collection’ Image
Hope you like them, cause I sure do!
First my 1978 CJ-7 upgraded with D44 axles 4 “ Lift and 1 “body lift a 4.0 HO engine, dual exhaust, in frame cleaning system 33” BFG muds.
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Next is my daily drive Golden 1967 Grand Wagoneer (upgraded body)
2.5 “ Lift Kit Original 360 with cherry bomb.
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And last but not least
My black Super or Special Wagoneer its a 1971 with a nice 360 engine, side pipes (where mounted when I bought it) floor shifter, working AC.
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Just let me know what you think!


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They all look very nice. The wheels on the 1414X are aftermarket, but they do look good!
1971 J2500 Gladiator Custom-Cab Platform Stake on 126" wb. B350/T18A/D20 D60/D60-3 w/locker 4.10's Ramsey 8klb PTO winch, Day-brook dump. 225/95R16's
1969 J3800 Gladiator 3407Z Camper Truck. B350/T18A/D20 D44/D60-3 w/4.10's
1968 Wagoneer Custom 327/TH400 Mostly Stock
1987 Cherokee Laredo 2-Door 4.0L/AW4 4" lift OEM swing out tire carrier and brushguard

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Thanks Kaiserman!


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Very interesting , 1414X are rare !

There are three phases for the 1414X

- first : 1968 , special order or showroom rigs, buick engine, console shift TH400 ,super wagoneer interior , custom wagoneer exterior, no specific colors

- second : from around march 1969 to 1971 beginning : 1414X or "custom special", official super wagoneer replacement , buick engine, console shift TH400, super wagoneer interior, specific color at least for 69 : "avocado mist", the "golden lime" color is also mentioned in january 71, woodgrain stripes on the body sides were introduced for this new version

- third : around february or march 1971 : the buick is replaced by the AMC 360, very low production

Your serial number should be between 600 001 and 600 300 ?

Do you have the yellow sticker on the door jamb with the VIN and the production date ?

Do you have a paint code ?
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Re: 1414x

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Yes Sir it is it’s serial number 228. And there is no paint code to be found yet.
I think this is the original color on the fire wall Image



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The sticker on the door jam is also there. It say June 1971


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This era had a paint and trim tag on the passenger side of the firewall, under the hood. Not certain where it would have been positioned on a Wagoneer, but here is an example from a CJ:

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These tags were embossed heavy foil and glued on, so they are often lost. Worth looking for though.

Looks like Canary Yellow, code 495. http://images.tcpglobal.com/chips/1971- ... ram=%7B%7D Could also be Candlelight Yellow.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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You where right Trgreese! On the fire wall passenger side:
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Thank you!


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Oh man! I love that purple bubble tint! :-bd

Those are some fine looking Jeeps!
79 J-10 (Honcho Mucho) KE0LSU
304/Performance Fuel Injection TBI/MTA1/SP2P/Magnum rockers
T18/D20/D44s&4.10s/33" Mud Claws
Grizzly Locker Rear
4" front spring drop, 5" rear shackle flip
Chevy style HEI (ECM controlled)
Dolphin "Shark" gauges in a fancy homemade oak bezel
3/4 resto, rotting faster than I've been fixing it.

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Re: 1414x

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Is it really purple? Color code 999?


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"999" was the code for "special" colors, like Mint Green and Baja Yellow, as well as Plum. I'm surprised to see this code on a Wagoneer; typically they were reserved for the Renegade CJs ('70-71-72-73... from '74, you could buy a Renegade in any factory or fleet color). Jeep was quite easy about equipping Jeeps the way that customers wanted, in this era - all the dealer had to do was fill out the order form with the proper code.

I'd absolutely restore the original color. That's cool! :-bd

Also, the D-slots were factory equipment for the CJ Renegades. Not certain that's what these wheels are, but I suspect they are. If Renegade wheels, they could have been delivered with the Jeep. Not sure they would have come from the factory that way, but it would have been easy for the dealership to swap them at point of sale. Such parts swapping was very common.

Do you have any idea of the history of this Jeep? There was a Jeep dealer in California (Brian Chuchua) that routinely ordered specially equipped yellow Jeeps for his (and the dealership's) own use. This looks like a Wagoneer that Brian would have ordered for his own use, and he would order a new one every year or two, always the brightest yellow.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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I think that your yellowish color is "Golden lime" i mentioned above

It's consistent with the "999" code since it was a special color for 71

Wondering if you have also a "special order" plate next to the VIN plate ?

Thanks a lot for the SN and the production date : since the last '71 were built in july 71, your SN 228 should be not far from the max SN for a 1414X with a 360
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Link of a golden lime AMC, looks like a mix of yellow and green :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... t_2of8.jpg
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
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Re: 1414x

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Thanks all! I’m learning so much of the roots of my wagoneer. I wish I new if Mr Brian was the original owner of this one.
I bought it from a guy that really wanted my Black CJ7 very bad. All I did was fixing the holes in the bottom of the body at the known locations. Made it running again, put on some good tires. I have been thinking of getting it repainted, but that’s very expensive out here. And I still have to many projects.
I will look if there are more stickers or labels that will give more info of the Jeep.




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Re: 1414x

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Ow abou lt the d-slot wheels there are scans of commercials showing super Wagoneer’s equipped with these wheels..


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