Windshield leaking passenger side

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Windshield leaking passenger side

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So i jumped in my jeep last night to see if what i did recently to my drivers door weather plastic behind the door panel fixed water from getting in because it was piuring last night.. As i was looking around i noticed the passenger side the seal for the windshield on the bottom corner was leaking.

Noticed the glass is getting foggy in that section so i think its delaminating. Rest of windshield doesnt leak its just that spot.

And what im thinking is since the windshield sits inside the gasket if it leaking from where the glass.seal is thrn water must be getting from that and not like under the seal and metal body.

Can i just take some silicone and smear it (cleanly) on the glass outside and the seal all around to prevent water from getting inside where the glass sits in the seal molding.

Am i making sense here ?

Here isa pic of where its leaking.. you can see the crusty hard water on the seal.windshield and it leaks down to that bottom corner. 2nd pic is where im proposing on smearing some rtv or something to keep water out of the glass/seal but ima do it around the entire thing

I actually this did to my vent windows glass/seal and it stopped water from getting in between the glass and frame its mounted it. So why wouldnt it work here ? Pic 3 is what i did to the vent window to give an example

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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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IIRC, these Jeeps leaked on a dry day in the showroom lol. Seriously though, does the windshield have a whitish area on the glass? That is a tell tale sign for delamination. As far as the seal, how is the condition? Even with a new seal mine still slightly seeps at the windshield edge but mine is also delaminated around the edges of the glass. Even with a new seal and glass they can leak if the metal under the seal is rotting or pitted. Hard to tell witout it removed though. Not sure if this helps any or not. Just my 2 cents i guess. Personally i would just caulk it and see if it stops the leak. If it comes out looking good and works then i would say run it as long as you can until you have to replace everything
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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I dont think you understand what im saying. The seals arent two peices... They are one peice.. hollow inside like a U shape.. Thr glass sits inside the gasket (U) shape and whst im saying is water is getting in from outside on the U shape.. going under the glass and coming out of the otherside of the U shape.

I had a quarter panel window do this too.. and what i did was pop the glass out.. put silicone inside the rubber gasket U and set the glass back inside and poped the window back on and it hasnt leaked since.

The same thing is happeneing to my windshield.. But ive removed a windhshield on an 88 recently and it was a pain in the ass had to cut up the gasket to peices to get it out.

So what im saying is put silicone on the outside of the gasket between the glass and this should keep water from getting inside the U shape and under the glass and back out thr other side.


What youre sughestig is water is getting under the gasket completetly thats not where my water is leaking from. Look at the first pic at the crust
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Silicone would most likely work and it definitly couldnt hurt to try.
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Like i susoected the windshield has silicone inside it like the quarter panel window had too and it deteriorated..

Some parts of it were there in chunks.. other parts were missing and i ould stick a fork between the windshield gap and gasket..

So i masked off the windshield used a small bead of black rtv abd smeared it with my finger and wiped off the excess on the gasket itself.

Pealed it off and its all sealed again..

here are pics. see this first pic.. you can see the large gap between the windshield and gasket.. how that peice of tree shedding is inside it.. And if you go further uo the old silicone gasket starts.. 2nd pic is it all filled in. 3rd pic is it all done. I did all around the windshield. 100% certain this will fix water from getting inside the gasket and glass and then into the vehicle

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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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its probably rust ....when i pulled my glass to paint the rig i almost puked......

you cant get new OEM seals, and the ones Bj's and TGW offer are ever so slightly larger than OEM making re-installation challenging ( i did it with help from the glass guy as i put new glass in at the same time.

the glass guy probably wont be able to help you reattach the chrome it a serious PITA, PITA X10. go to the mothership and search on it

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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Not rust...

The water is leaking from INSIDE the glass.. not under the gasket..

Which means its leaking from the gasket the glass sits inside going under the glass and back up.

I need to draw a picture if what im talkin about you guys dont seem to get how the windshields and quarter panels sit inside the gaskets lols
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Here is a crude picture of the quarter panel and windshield gaskets. The yellow is the glass, Orange is the dash pad, GREY is the Jeeps metal body, the black U shape is the gasket the glass sits inside, The blue is rain falling on the glass and running off the gasket, the RED is the silicone i just laid down, But notice the blue going inside the gasket under the glass and up and into the vehicle. THIS is how mine is leaking, and this is how i bet many of them leak as well, because my quarter panel leaked EXACTLY like this as well and adding silicone inside the gasket where the glass sits fixed it. My windshield is leaking exactly the same way so the silicone i added will fix this leak. Factory doesnt just stick the glass inside the gasket they added a thin layer of silicone to seal the glass to the gasket.. When i took my quarter panel window out and removed the gasket itself from it, there was very old silicone inside from factory but it was old and deteriorated and thats why it started leaking

(Again not adding silicone UNDER the gasket).. INSIDE the gasket where theglass itself sits in. It if was leaking from UNDER the gasket and body of the vehicle you wouldnt see the water on the gasket by looking over the dash. It would be leaking under the dash pad and you wouldnt see it until it was on the floor.

Am i making sense here now ?


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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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I'm not sure what a one piece gasket even looks like. My glass guy used a 2 piece. I'm out of my league apparently haha
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Two piece? How does that work?
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Im not sure honestly. He came to the house and installed the widshield in about 2 minutes. I just remember him saying it was a new two piece gasket and won't accept the stainless windshield trim.
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Got a pic? Close but not too close?
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Interesting never heard of a 2 peice.. And id hate not being able to use the stainless steel trim after.. but i guess its better then nothing.



This is the original one peice... One mold and you wrap it around the glass.. quarter panels are like this too


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http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d32/j ... w3kthn.jpg
Just took a pic. Correct me if i am wrong, but it looks like a two piece like the guy told me.
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Ive seen what youre talking about on the junkyard window i removed that peice peals off.. But its still one peice..

I think that 2nd peice is something you can peal off to get the glass out easier... In the junkyard i pulled it and it pealed like a banana and the glass came out easier.. but once i did that the whole gasket was ruined.

Not sure why your stainless trim wont work on that though.. Have you tried to put it on? Its pretty clear to me the gasket you have is molded to fit the stainless trim.. I think the glass guy was full of BEEP lol
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It doesnt fit because i dont own any lol the truck never had it, the glass guy said it cant be used on this gasket, so i never bought any
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Just edited my post.. your gasket has all thr molds.shapes for the stainless.. Im positive it would work.

Show me a pic of the top corner. Thats where the corner peices screw into id like to see what it looks like
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Ill get a pic tomorrow, its dark out and raining right now and i dont feel like going back outside
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Phils67 wrote:http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d32/j ... w3kthn.jpg
Just took a pic. Correct me if i am wrong, but it looks like a two piece like the guy told me.

Good pict, the groove is for the stainless trim, the older FSJ, like my 74 did not have the slit to install the trim. Installation is a bit tricky... such as in PITA...
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Re: Windshield leaking passenger side

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Oohh ok the groove i pealed off i figure pulled off easy to remove the windshield easier lol.

Didnt think it was for the trim.. but now that i think of it youre right.. becahse it was one peice but the groove managed to tear out easily.

So yea thst means you can install the stainless trim and the windshield guy was wrong
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