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1965 wagoneer project

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I guess I’m writing this as an introduction of sorts. Tomorrow morning I go to my moms house to look at picking up her husbands 1965 wagoneer with a 360. That’s basically all I Know about it besides the fact it’s been sitting for a number of years. I’ve seen it a couple times but have not looked it over with intentions of getting it. The plan will be to put a 5.3L and 4L60 in it. I want a capable desert rig so lift on 33’s would be good. I still have to figure out axles and would like disc brakes.
My background is metal fabrication and I’m a welding instructor at a local community college. I will be fabricating front and rear bumpers as well as a handful of other details.
I have done an LS swap before (sorta). I was one of the first people to take an LS motor and mount it into a jetboat. I say sorta as that was a carb setup. For the wagoneer I. Plan to do fuel injection.
Here’s the jeep
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From what we can see, it looks fairly tidy! Keep the pictures coming.

And good luck!

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Good luck!
For info, If it's a 360, it's not the original engine , should be a 327 V8 or a 232 L6
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d4xycrq wrote:From what we can see, it looks fairly tidy! Keep the pictures coming.

And good luck!

Ray
I will be taking a lot of pictures today. It will be quite a significant amount of work to unearth it so it won’t be coming home today.
mud89 wrote:Good luck!
For info, If it's a 360, it's not the original engine , should be a 327 V8 or a 232 L6
Ok good to know, I am just going off what I was told. Thanks for the info.
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mud89 wrote:Good luck!
For info, If it's a 360, it's not the original engine , should be a 327 V8 or a 232 L6
Or it's not really a '65. The 360 first appeared in 1971. That grille first appeared in 1966, and ended in 1970, before the arrival of the 360.

http://jubileejeeps.org/faqs/fsjgrillesrevisedflint.jpg
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tgreese wrote:
mud89 wrote:Good luck!
For info, If it's a 360, it's not the original engine , should be a 327 V8 or a 232 L6
Or it's not really a '65. The 360 first appeared in 1971. That grille first appeared in 1966, and ended in 1970, before the arrival of the 360.

http://jubileejeeps.org/faqs/fsjgrillesrevisedflint.jpg
That could very well be the case. We will find out more in the next couple hours.
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When you get closer, drive train data and VIN decoding here - http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/index.html
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Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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tgreese wrote:When you get closer, drive train data and VIN decoding here - http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/index.html
That will be very helpful assuming I can find/read the tag. Thank you
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I hope it is a 65, the early ones are my favorites- best of luck either way, though!
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Why the 5.3 instead of the slightly larger LQ4 6.0?
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Well unfortunately I’ll be passing on the project. It was a 1965 with a 327. It’s just been sitting too long and I can’t afford to make it what I’d want. So back to searching.

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Shagoneer wrote:Why the 5.3 instead of the slightly larger LQ4 6.0?
The 5.3l is more plentiful and way cheaper in Southern California. After building a 5.3 and seeing how it responds to a cam swap and other mods, I’d have to find a really good deal on a 6.0 to choose it over a 5.3
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So, is your mother or her husband selling the Jeep then? Maybe someone else here would like to pick it up/save it?
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Kevin Powers wrote:Well unfortunately I’ll be passing on the project. It was a 1965 with a 327. It’s just been sitting too long and I can’t afford to make it what I’d want. So back to searching.
The 327 is a battleship of an engine. Steel crank, steel rods, massive block... it's a 1st generation V8 and the induction/exhaust design is known as restrictive (old technology) but if it's in good shape it will run and run and run.

Manual or automatic? These cars with column shift use a T-89 (IIRC) which is non-synchro 1st and sometimg of an oddball. An automatic will be a GM TH400.

Each of the eras has their own pluses and minuses. Personally I'd look for a '74-79 with a manual transmission, but they are scarce compared to automatic-equipped wagons. A '68-73 might be a good option, except for the drum brakes and closed-knuckle front axle. '65-67 is basically the same as the '68-73 except for the 327 instead of the Buick 350 or AMC 360. The '80-on examples are pretty much all the same. If you are looking to install a new engine and transmission, look for an '80-up with a rod knock or other mechanical issue.
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Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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tgreese wrote:
Kevin Powers wrote:Well unfortunately I’ll be passing on the project. It was a 1965 with a 327. It’s just been sitting too long and I can’t afford to make it what I’d want. So back to searching.
The 327 is a battleship of an engine. Steel crank, steel rods, massive block... it's a 1st generation V8 and the induction/exhaust design is known as restrictive (old technology) but if it's in good shape it will run and run and run.

Manual or automatic? These cars with column shift use a T-89 (IIRC) which is non-synchro 1st and sometimg of an oddball. An automatic will be a GM TH400.

Each of the eras has their own pluses and minuses. Personally I'd look for a '74-79 with a manual transmission, but they are scarce compared to automatic-equipped wagons. A '68-73 might be a good option, except for the drum brakes and closed-knuckle front axle. '65-67 is basically the same as the '68-73 except for the 327 instead of the Buick 350 or AMC 360. The '80-on examples are pretty much all the same. If you are looking to install a new engine and transmission, look for an '80-up with a rod knock or other mechanical issue.
For California smog purposes I’ll be looking for a pre 1974 model. I don’t know all the details that go into making a compliant motor swap so I would rather it just be exempt. Looking at prices around here, 1980 up Wagoneers are 15-20k whike still needing work.

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HeavyMetalThunder_81 wrote:So, is your mother or her husband selling the Jeep then? Maybe someone else here would like to pick it up/save it?
I’d be more than happy to forward any interested people. I’ll post some more pics.

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Here’s the pics I took. It’s been sitting 17 years. Plenty of rodent poop and deterioration. The air cleaner is still on the carb but I’m sure the motor would need to be gone through. The doors and hood are basically frozen, but move with effort. No back window. Looking in the back you can see the ground on each side in the quarter panel area. I think it’s from the quarters being trimmed. The only real rust issue I saw was under the tailgate.
https://imgur.com/gallery/tcl8q
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Kevin Powers wrote:Well unfortunately I’ll be passing on the project. It was a 1965 with a 327. It’s just been sitting too long and I can’t afford to make it what I’d want. So back to searching.

Post up pics of the interior!

Edit:

Oops, I just saw the link... and the pics. That IS a project.

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Yes, yes it is.
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Kevin Powers wrote:
tgreese wrote:
Kevin Powers wrote:Well unfortunately I’ll be passing on the project. It was a 1965 with a 327. It’s just been sitting too long and I can’t afford to make it what I’d want. So back to searching.
The 327 is a battleship of an engine. Steel crank, steel rods, massive block... it's a 1st generation V8 and the induction/exhaust design is known as restrictive (old technology) but if it's in good shape it will run and run and run.

Manual or automatic? These cars with column shift use a T-89 (IIRC) which is non-synchro 1st and sometimg of an oddball. An automatic will be a GM TH400.

Each of the eras has their own pluses and minuses. Personally I'd look for a '74-79 with a manual transmission, but they are scarce compared to automatic-equipped wagons. A '68-73 might be a good option, except for the drum brakes and closed-knuckle front axle. '65-67 is basically the same as the '68-73 except for the 327 instead of the Buick 350 or AMC 360. The '80-on examples are pretty much all the same. If you are looking to install a new engine and transmission, look for an '80-up with a rod knock or other mechanical issue.
For California smog purposes I’ll be looking for a pre 1974 model. I don’t know all the details that go into making a compliant motor swap so I would rather it just be exempt. Looking at prices around here, 1980 up Wagoneers are 15-20k whike still needing work.
Doesn't California enforce smog on 1976 and up? I was under the impression that my CJ-6 would be exempt there.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
Blockchain the vote.
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