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Nikonised wrote:Ow abou lt the d-slot wheels there are scans of commercials showing super Wagoneer’s equipped with these wheels..


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From what Kaiserman says, those were only available '74 and later for Wagoneers. Your wheels are 5-lug, which makes them different from the '74 and later wheels with 6 lugs. Look here for some pictures and discussion of the Renegade wheels. http://www.earlycj5.com/xf_cj5/index.ph ... ts.121223/ There was nothing to stop the factory from putting the Renegade wheels on a Wagoneer... they had them, they would fit and function just fine.

If it was not yellow, it was not owned by Brian Chuchua. Typically he would order his Jeeps in Transport Yellow (code 81, a fleet color) if there was no other yellow available that year. But always yellow.
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Nikonised wrote:Ow abou lt the d-slot wheels there are scans of commercials showing super Wagoneer’s equipped with these wheels..


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You may be confusing the aluminum wheels with these hubcaps. Kaiser and early AMC Wagoneers never came from the factory with anything but steel wheels and stainless or chrome hubcaps.

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I looked at one of my price list from january 4 1971, i have to figure out how to share it..
There is a sheet for the 1414X with the Buick : the 1414X was actually with the J4700 and J4800 one of the last J-series or FSJs to get the Buick at the beginning of 1971

Some extract from this sheet :
"limited quantity production vehicle, for sales promotion use only"
suggested retail price : $6114
tinted glass
golden lime metallic paint
wood grain package
air deflector
electric clock
....
Only options : rear trac-lock, air conditioning
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Yes! the deflector and the electric clock and ac are still on there!


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Kaiserman wrote:
Nikonised wrote:Ow abou lt the d-slot wheels there are scans of commercials showing super Wagoneer’s equipped with these wheels..


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You may be confusing the aluminum wheels with these hubcaps. Kaiser and early AMC Wagoneers never came from the factory with anything but steel wheels and stainless or chrome hubcaps.

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I guess I was confusing them .. but I remember that there was a super wagoneer with the same wheels I have for sale in mint condition in Switzerland I think It went for 47.000€!


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Otherwise the standard yellow color for a 71 waggy was "candelight yellow", code 478
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Hmm I thought it was a softer kind of yellow..
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Can't be Candlelight Yellow. It's a factory color with a paint code that does not match your paint and trim tag. If not Golden Lime, I'd expect Baja Yellow, another 999 color listed for 1972, to be the more likely.

This chart shows Candlelight Yellow as a much lighter yellow than the PaintScratch sample above. Colors do not come through accurately on computer screens. http://www.hdts.vcn.com/JEEP/EARLY%20CJ ... CHARTS.pdf
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Nikonised wrote:Yes! the deflector and the electric clock and ac are still on there!
Great :-bd
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Yes can't be candlelight yellow, since your color is a 999 code, it was just a general info about the 71 colors
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mud89 wrote:I looked at one of my price list from january 4 1971, i have to figure out how to share it..
There is a sheet for the 1414X with the Buick : the 1414X was actually with the J4700 and J4800 one of the last J-series or FSJs to get the Buick at the beginning of 1971

Some extract from this sheet :
"limited quantity production vehicle, for sales promotion use only"
suggested retail price : $6114
tinted glass
golden lime metallic paint
wood grain package
air deflector
electric clock
....
Only options : rear trac-lock, air conditioning
I wonder how ‘golden lime metallic’ looks like. And do you know how I can check if it has trac-lock?



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Now I’m still a bit confused about the colors ..
According to this story. Other color names pop-up
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cultur ... was-super/



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Nikonised wrote:Now I’m still a bit confused about the colors ..
According to this story. Other color names pop-up
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cultur ... was-super/
These are earlier colors, colors change almost every year. Moreover these are colors for the super wagoneer, not for the 1414X
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Ah ok, so theses colors are not mandatory for a Super, but for certain years.


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Nikonised wrote:Ah ok, so theses colors are not mandatory for a Super, but for certain years.


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Each year, you have for each model a list of colors available. If you want another color which is not in the list, it's a special order with a 999 code for the paint

By the way, what is confusing is that sometimes a new color can be introduced during the model year , before the model year end. I guess that tgreese has more infos about that
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Nikonised wrote:....

I wonder how ‘golden lime metallic’ looks like. And do you know how I can check if it has trac-lock?
I f i recall correctly, trac-lock corresponds to a limited slip differential for the rear axle
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Just like the CJ-7 had limited slip on some amc -20 axels.


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Trac-Lok is a Dana limited slip differential (LSD) that was introduced with the 30 spline flanged Dana 44rear axle for the Wagoneer. Prior to that, the Dana Powr-Lok was used with the 19 spline tapered Dana 44.

There should be a tag on one of the rear axle cover bolts that says "use limited slip lubricant only" or something to that effect. You can also look under the cover and inspect the case/carrier, which has a distinctive shape for a Trac-Lok.

Rear LSD was a very popular option for all Jeep models.
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Regarding colors, I know that Jeep would willingly accommodate special orders that were reasonable in that era. The 999 color code is most well known as a feature of the Renegade CJ-5, introduced in 1970. Jeep had special colors for the Renegade (1970) and Renegade II (1971). Both Renegades were available in yellow, so Jeeps were being delivered with the 999 yellow through all the 1971 model year. The Renegade colors were meant to distinguish the Renegade package from the rest of the CJ line, along with other features that were not on the regular option list.

What I gather from above, the Wagoneer special packages also used the 999 code for colors specific to the package, ie the Super Wagoneer colors? Mud89 knows more about this - apparently the Golden Lime Metallic was one of these colors.

I mentioned above, Jeep was very compliant when dealers asked for combinations that were outside the official model spec. A '71 1414X with Renegade wheels and a Renegade color should have been no problem, from what I saw back then. As I understood it, Jeep dealerships could order cars to a customer's spec, they could request cars with specific equipment and features for their own inventory, or they could pick from Toledo's inventory. The main problem with special orders was the lag, and for the customers, much less leverage on price. The factory was shut down for retooling in the summer, so I'd guess that nearly all the dealership's ordering took place around the model year introduction.

Just to give you an example, I worked for Chuchua in the early '70s (though the vehicle ordering was way above my pay grade). They would send me on errands in one of the dealership cars, one of which was a Canary Yellow 1972 Commando convertible. V8, automatic, power - nice car. Those familiar with the Commando know that there were very few convertibles made, and supposedly none after 1971. I did not realize this at the time, but this was apparently the only bullnose convertible ever produced. Brian got it because he asked for it... factory delivery, made with all stock parts. All that was needed was the order to assemble it. Dunno, Brian probably had quite a lot of influence with the factory guys, and that may have played a role. But genrally, Jeep would do this kind of stuff if you asked.
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Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
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Regarding how to tell Golden Lime metallic, it's a metallic color. All of the yellows are solid colors, ie no metal flakes. If you can't tell by just looking, you could scrape a little of the old paint and look at it under a magnifying glass or low-power microscope. There should be obvious metallic flakes in a metallic paint. Also, from the description, that color is probably a gold flake with a greenish tint in the binder.

From your pictures, it's obviously a solid pale yellow ... to my eye. You could look places that were not repainted, like under the dash. Note that yellows of the day fade badly when exposed to years of sunlight.

Note that, from '72 on, the metallic paints were called "poly" not metallic. For example, Plum Poly is a metallic purple.
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Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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