tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Follow the money. Dealerships make a ton of money servicing their products. That's why we see things like dipsticks going the way of the dodo. That's why we see computers that require proprietary software to interface with the car. Keeps the shade tree guys in the unemployment line and the dealership's in the black.
My wife's 2013 VW TDI was an awesome car. But when the 30k mile service was due it cost us over $1000.00. screw that noise.
I blame people. We as a species are growing soft and unwilling to pay attention. We demand (no me or some of us) that cars do all sorts of stuff to keep us safe and allow us to not pay attention to what we are doing. It all must be done FOR us! including maintenance.
Ever looked at early era automobiles? Back then they were a marvel but people had to understand how they worked and be able to maintain them but they were as simple as a tractor. As they became more reliable and common place people lost their interest in working on them. Now days we have a mode of transportation that at best people will go to the effort of putting new air fresheners in. Everything else is fixed by "technicians".
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That's hand in glove. That people choose to live where they are told they cannot work on their car results in them being forced to take it to someone. Dealerships understand this and thus create cars which must go to them for work. More money.... Gotta follow it.csuengr wrote:tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Follow the money. Dealerships make a ton of money servicing their products. That's why we see things like dipsticks going the way of the dodo. That's why we see computers that require proprietary software to interface with the car. Keeps the shade tree guys in the unemployment line and the dealership's in the black.
My wife's 2013 VW TDI was an awesome car. But when the 30k mile service was due it cost us over $1000.00. screw that noise.
I blame people. We as a species are growing soft and unwilling to pay attention. We demand (no me or some of us) that cars do all sorts of stuff to keep us safe and allow us to not pay attention to what we are doing. It all must be done FOR us! including maintenance.
Ever looked at early era automobiles? Back then they were a marvel but people had to understand how they worked and be able to maintain them but they were as simple as a tractor. As they became more reliable and common place people lost their interest in working on them. Now days we have a mode of transportation that at best people will go to the effort of putting new air fresheners in. Everything else is fixed by "technicians".
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There are many people who do not have the means or place to work on their own cars. Being able to work on one is a luxury. Where I currently live, if my Cherk broke, I am screwed. I can't work on it. I can't even change the oil.
Hmmm. Yours didn't come with the 30K mile service warranty?tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Follow the money. Dealerships make a ton of money servicing their products. That's why we see things like dipsticks going the way of the dodo. That's why we see computers that require proprietary software to interface with the car. Keeps the shade tree guys in the unemployment line and the dealership's in the black.
My wife's 2013 VW TDI was an awesome car. But when the 30k mile service was due it cost us over $1000.00. screw that noise.
I blame people. We as a species are growing soft and unwilling to pay attention. We demand (no me or some of us) that cars do all sorts of stuff to keep us safe and allow us to not pay attention to what we are doing. It all must be done FOR us! including maintenance.
Ever looked at early era automobiles? Back then they were a marvel but people had to understand how they worked and be able to maintain them but they were as simple as a tractor. As they became more reliable and common place people lost their interest in working on them. Now days we have a mode of transportation that at best people will go to the effort of putting new air fresheners in. Everything else is fixed by "technicians".
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Honestly don't remember. She bought it new so I'd guess it had some warranty but I DO remember having to shell out a grand.dodgerammit wrote:Hmmm. Yours didn't come with the 30K mile service warranty?tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Follow the money. Dealerships make a ton of money servicing their products. That's why we see things like dipsticks going the way of the dodo. That's why we see computers that require proprietary software to interface with the car. Keeps the shade tree guys in the unemployment line and the dealership's in the black.
My wife's 2013 VW TDI was an awesome car. But when the 30k mile service was due it cost us over $1000.00. screw that noise.
I blame people. We as a species are growing soft and unwilling to pay attention. We demand (no me or some of us) that cars do all sorts of stuff to keep us safe and allow us to not pay attention to what we are doing. It all must be done FOR us! including maintenance.
Ever looked at early era automobiles? Back then they were a marvel but people had to understand how they worked and be able to maintain them but they were as simple as a tractor. As they became more reliable and common place people lost their interest in working on them. Now days we have a mode of transportation that at best people will go to the effort of putting new air fresheners in. Everything else is fixed by "technicians".
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tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:That's hand in glove. That people choose to live where they are told they cannot work on their car results in them being forced to take it to someone. Dealerships understand this and thus create cars which must go to them for work. More money.... Gotta follow it.csuengr wrote:tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:Follow the money. Dealerships make a ton of money servicing their products. That's why we see things like dipsticks going the way of the dodo. That's why we see computers that require proprietary software to interface with the car. Keeps the shade tree guys in the unemployment line and the dealership's in the black.
My wife's 2013 VW TDI was an awesome car. But when the 30k mile service was due it cost us over $1000.00. screw that noise.
I blame people. We as a species are growing soft and unwilling to pay attention. We demand (no me or some of us) that cars do all sorts of stuff to keep us safe and allow us to not pay attention to what we are doing. It all must be done FOR us! including maintenance.
Ever looked at early era automobiles? Back then they were a marvel but people had to understand how they worked and be able to maintain them but they were as simple as a tractor. As they became more reliable and common place people lost their interest in working on them. Now days we have a mode of transportation that at best people will go to the effort of putting new air fresheners in. Everything else is fixed by "technicians".
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There are many people who do not have the means or place to work on their own cars. Being able to work on one is a luxury. Where I currently live, if my Cherk broke, I am screwed. I can't work on it. I can't even change the oil.
Lol. Hardly. After 20+ years in the military I have a very good view on how situations can restrict where I can or can not work on my jeeps. It is what it is and you have several options.csuengr wrote:tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:That's hand in glove. That people choose to live where they are told they cannot work on their car results in them being forced to take it to someone. Dealerships understand this and thus create cars which must go to them for work. More money.... Gotta follow it.csuengr wrote:
There are many people who do not have the means or place to work on their own cars. Being able to work on one is a luxury. Where I currently live, if my Cherk broke, I am screwed. I can't work on it. I can't even change the oil.
Choose? That's funny. People lots of times have to live where they can afford, and in my case I had no choice. It was all that was available. You have a very narrow minded view of people's situations.
Typical of german trans, if you do not expect the vehicle to go over 100K... or want to shell $5K or more for a trans at 120Kmilesdodgerammit wrote:Maintenance free is over-rated. Anything German is over complicated.
That may be a function of where you live!rocklaurence wrote:Funny in regard to quality. Our FSJs--every fasteners is rusted solid, holes in the panels and the interior is wasted. However, the same area Mercedes--anodised fasteners [come off as easy as they went on 35 years ago], few rust holes and the interiors are still good [not card board backing like the Jeeps].
Ha, Ha, Ha, indeed, working on other vehicles, we can see the nice resilient materials used to insulate the door panels, a nice foam, and door handle that cannot break when pulled with force... but we can fix our behemoth on the side of the road and do not need a certified mechanic with 20 year experience, .... the driver usually has the experience...rocklaurence wrote: the interiors are still good [not card board backing like the Jeeps
letank wrote:Typical of german trans, if you do not expect the vehicle to go over 100K... or want to shell $5K or more for a trans at 120Kmilesdodgerammit wrote:Maintenance free is over-rated. Anything German is over complicated.
But I am wrong Toyota has joined the trend, with their trans fluid, I had to fight with one of the kid to change the trans fluid on her 07 Scion... at 90K...
Nah. There is the Getrag and the Ford ZF 5 and 6 speeds. Of course those are manuals. There is a reason I still prefer a manual shifted vehicle over (especially modern) automatics. You lose half of the potential high maintenance headaches. My T/A is a 6 speed. Still, a good old powerglide or 727 as far as an auto goes isn't a bad thing.letank wrote:Typical of german trans, if you do not expect the vehicle to go over 100K... or want to shell $5K or more for a trans at 120Kmilesdodgerammit wrote:Maintenance free is over-rated. Anything German is over complicated.
But I am wrong Toyota has joined the trend, with their trans fluid, I had to fight with one of the kid to change the trans fluid on her 07 Scion... at 90K...
I will say modern materials and corrosion protection is a good thing. My last T/A had 200k on it when an inattentive driver took it out . I bought it back from the insurance, kept my built 6 speed, and parted the rest. The fact that it came apart with minimal fuss is amazing considering it was 17 years old. No rust other than very light areas of minimal surface corrosion (mainly on suspension stuff).Nikkormat wrote:That may be a function of where you live!rocklaurence wrote:Funny in regard to quality. Our FSJs--every fasteners is rusted solid, holes in the panels and the interior is wasted. However, the same area Mercedes--anodised fasteners [come off as easy as they went on 35 years ago], few rust holes and the interiors are still good [not card board backing like the Jeeps].