79 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

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79 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:10 am

I'll start the first thread in this section.

The build is in other places on the web but I'll put it here too.

Started out as a stock 78 chief with a 360. To date the whole drivetrain has been replaced:
90 cummins 6bt
Getrag 360 5 speed tranny
205 tc
Sterling 10.5 rear
Ford 2006 Dana 60
Rear shackle flip
Front ford coil springs

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby Stuka » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:01 am

Is that where the original coil mounting location was on the axle? I have not seen that before.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:16 am

Stuka wrote:Is that where the original coil mounting location was on the axle? I have not seen that before.


Yes. I have not changed anything on the axle. It's all factory.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby Tad » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:31 am

Should be an interesting build to watch.
I passed on one of those front 60's thinking it would be too much work for me.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby The Colonel » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:25 pm

Tad wrote:Should be an interesting build to watch.
I passed on one of those front 60's thinking it would be too much work for me.


I wish I had the tools and ambition to do something like that axle install.

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:13 pm

I ain't done nothing lately. Been camping with the boy and now stuck in a hotel for the wk with work :(( Did get a razor grille and headlights. I hate those square lights. Maybe get some work done after labor day wknd.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:18 pm

Got a little done this wknd. Welded the front suspension arm up an painted them. Also pulled the tranny out to make an adapter for the transfer case. Going to the machine shop this week to get some parts made for the adapter.

Also swapped out grilles.

Here are some pics.

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby Stuka » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:53 pm

Which coils did you go with?
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby talntar » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:10 am

not familiar with the ford axles so forgive me.what is with the "sleave"on the long side?

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:19 am

Stuka wrote:Which coils did you go with?


Ruff country F250 2.5" lift.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:23 am

talntar wrote:not familiar with the ford axles so forgive me.what is with the "sleave"on the long side?


For some reason each side had a caster difference of 9 deg. Everything was off including spring seats and link mounts. I cut the tube and rotated to correct the difference. The sleeve is for added strength.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:30 pm

Didn't get a whole lot done this wknd. Got one piece back from the machine shop for the tc adapter.

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Cleaned up the tc and tranny and hit it with some paint.

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Waiting on some more pieces from the machine shop and then I can get the tc adapter put together. Should have it early this week. Kinda excided to get this done. Won't be far from running after this.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:46 pm

I got all the pieces bake from the machine shop. Started laying everything out. Hope to have this done and put back in the jeep this wknd.

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:56 pm

Got something done today. Doesn't look like much but got it all tacked up. Since the tc was a divorce tc had to drill and tap holes for the adapter. Thanks to patoyee for the cad templates. Tomorrow I'll weld everything up.

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Also got a master cylinder and hydro boost off a 06 ford f350. This should take any guess work out of which cylinder to use with the ford axles.

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby Stuka » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:13 pm

Will that MC work without the ABS computer?
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:22 pm

Stuka wrote:Will that MC work without the ABS computer?


Form my understanding the abs module goes after the mc. Therefore all computer related stuff is after the mc and the mc just supplies the pressure. Looking at the mc there isn't anything special about it except 2 sensors on it.

If you know something I don't, please inform me.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby Stuka » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:29 pm

No I don't know anything specific. Lots of ways oem's handle the ABS. Some have it all integrated, so wasn't sure how Ford did it.
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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:35 pm

Stuka wrote:No I don't know anything specific. Lots of ways oem's handle the ABS. Some have it all integrated, so wasn't sure how Ford did it.



I this pic you can see the abs control module.

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Re: 78 Cherokee Chief Cummins 6bt with ford one ton axles

Postby lobie » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:36 pm

I got the tc put back together today. Took me longer than I thought but it was packed with 30 yrs of dirt and grease. I want to get it as clean as I could. Got the adapter all welded up and painted. Had to incorporate a bearing retainer and shaft seal on the inside so that took some time. It's all ready for intalkarion tommorrow. I do have to replace the rear main seal on the engine and put a new bushing on the fly wheel. It's gonna probably take all day to get it done. Here's some pics.

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Tranny & TC installed

Postby lobie » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:04 pm

I got it all bolted into the jeep today. The back end is supported on a jack stand till I get the cross member made. No pics, looks the same as any other drivetrain from underneath. :ymparty:
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