1964 wagoneer... om617 diesel

[rocklaurence]

Id wait on purchasing the rear springs until you get the front sorted out. We were talking about using later Wagoneer axles and springs to save time and money. I wouldn't invest in narrowing or rotating any axles because that cost a lot of time and money, If you bought a Parts Wagoneer, you'd have all the suspension parts you need and make most or all you money back buy parting out the rest.
Keep on Keeping-on

[Pablo]

What type of stance and lift are you going for with the rear springs? BJ's had stock height springs for older wagons last I checked. I wanted quite a bit of lift and to ditch the stock post mounts, so I scavenged junk yards for my springs... until I found the stance I wanted and mocked up the new mounts. If I remember, I ended up with Chevy 85 blazer front springs and long 1/2 ton Suburban rears. After I get it going down the road and get the resto complete and weighed front and rear, then I will get some custom made springs with military wraps, maybe.

It is a bit of a chicken and the egg, as you want to know your weight front and rear before you get springs, and you dont always know that until you get your build done as many things are still up in the air.

[230ohc]

Ya I'm in it pretty deep at this point.
For the time being I'm going to make the stock stuff work until I can find the right front. Or build the Chevy stuff.
I did manage to find some j4000 fenders so......
Widetrack maybe?
Keep Chevy width and shell out for high steer.

[230ohc]

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[rocklaurence]

The rear will be the hard part to Go WT. Like you said, get it up and running. Then go back and finish things when you have the money.

[230ohc]

Yeah, I don't much like the look of the flares anyway. I will likely change my mind at some point though.

[230ohc]

I think for now I will eliminate the bell crank and get the Saginaw Transferred over, Then do crossover, and possibly notch oil pan.

[230ohc]

What type of stance and lift are you going for with the rear springs? BJ's had stock height springs for older wagons last I checked. I wanted quite a bit of lift and to ditch the stock post mounts, so I scavenged junk yards for my springs... until I found the stance I wanted and mocked up the new mounts. If I remember, I ended up with Chevy 85 blazer front springs and long 1/2 ton Suburban rears. After I get it going down the road and get the resto complete and weighed front and rear, then I will get some custom made springs with military wraps, maybe.

It is a bit of a chicken and the egg, as you want to know your weight front and rear before you get springs, and you dont always know that until you get your build done as many things are still up in the air.

It's all up in the air right now. For the most part going foward I just wanted to upgrade my rear 44 to 1 piece flanged, which I've got but it's 6 bolt wheels. So I got a chevy 44 front 6 bolt, so at this point my options are wide open. So I just need to decide how I want to spend my money.... and what not to spend money on if it's just gonna get replaced.

I really didn't want to change too much, but I've already changed so much.
Don't really won't a rockcrawler,
Just a trail rig that won't break.

[230ohc]

Got the bell crank off, now looking for Saginaw linkage and mount plate and gonna need longer adjustment sleeve for drag link. Got the front drive line hooked up. Still need some radiator hoses, do some wiring , exhaust, make a modified heater core box, get the front clip on, need diesel supply and return figured out . For clearance I'm just gonna notch oil pan for now until I can do fssr. Use the 1 piece rear Dana and get some 5 lug shafts and regear 3.73.
That should get her well set up for how I want to use it, just camping and family adventures.

And redo the driverside floor while the tank is out.

[230ohc]

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So I think I found the Saginaw bracket I need,
Is this right?

[Nikkormat]

That's right!

[230ohc]

That's right!

Good to know, thank you.
I went ahead and purchased, expecting soon.
What steering shaft linkage hould I be looking for?
I've read into it somewhat and an xj shafts is what I've come up with so far. I'd really like to eliminate the rag joint at the column, any suggestions?

[Nikkormat]

That's right!

Good to know, thank you.
I went ahead and purchased, expecting soon.
What steering shaft linkage hould I be looking for?
I've read into it somewhat and an xj shafts is what I've come up with so far. I'd really like to eliminate the rag joint at the column, any suggestions?

That's as far as my experience goes unfortunately, but I can tell you that the XJ shaft it fits the newer grand wagoneer boxes. Look for 86 and newer.

[44bz]

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I was looking at these photos regarding your steering questions. Is that the old Ross steering setup? I remember reading that converting those to the later Saginaw style is a challenge bc of differences in the frame, like having to cut off the frame at the end and grafting on the same section from a later frame.

That bracket you got is the steering gear adaptor later fsj's used, some also had a welded on mount.

I can't help with ideas for a junk yard steering shaft upgrade. I upgraded the shaft in my 68 to a collapsible unit from borgeson with ujoints at both ends. It's quality.


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[230ohc]

Yes, this one has the Ross box.

I'm gonna pull it out tomorrow and check spline diameter on column, same goes for the Saginaw.

See what my options are for u joints.

I built custom u joint steering on my 48 ford when I did xj12 ifs conversion that I am very pleased with so I know it's gonna cost more than I'd like but i definitely want to do away with rag joints.

I may have to hold off until I get the mount before I make any more purchases though, my wagoneer had a rare power steering option with a different front cross member which may eliminate the possibility of using the Saginaw if I can't mount it foward enough, we'll see what happens.

[230ohc]

Here's a shot of the frame, I was hoping the mount will just bolt up, however the mount pattern looks to be a bit off.

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The frame has a rectangular pattern where as the mount is tapered a bit.

[Nikkormat]

I don't think it will just bolt up, you'll need some drilling iirc. But that bracket avoids all the frame cutting and fab work.

[230ohc]

Good to know, thanks.


I think I'll do my exhaust tomorrow....

[Nikkormat]

Hmmm... Thinking on it you may have to notch that front crossmember...

Might be avoidable though. You'll have to find a steering box and a pitman arm and mock it up.

[44bz]

Here's a little more info on the swap:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=104631


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