Isuzu 44 into waggy??

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Isuzu 44 into waggy??

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Anyone here swap an Isuzu Dana 44 that came in the rodeo into a NT waggy? I believe there are different widths and am curious if:
A-anyone has done it.
B- what year/wms-wms did you use.

As money is tight and I know I have an Isuzu 44 in storage, I'd love to swap it in. I just don't remember what it's width is. I remember it's 4:10.

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I purchased one for my CJ5 project. It had disc brakes, I used the Ebrake cables and handle, 4.30 RP and is 58/59 WMS-WMS. I installed 488 gears and a spool...
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rocklaurence wrote:I purchased one for my CJ5 project. It had disc brakes, I used the Ebrake cables and handle, 4.30 RP and is 58/59 WMS-WMS. I installed 488 gears and a spool...
Thanks for that.

What’s weird is I remember a good while back I tried to swap one in one of my jeeps but I can’t for the life of me remember which one. I swear it was my ‘83 NT Cherokee but my brain is drawing a blank. What I do remember is pulling the axle and trying to fit it but the calipers were at such an angle that it wouldn’t work. It may have been my scrambler or my commando though, I just can’t remember. Image
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Calipers won’t clear the leaf springs.
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rainman wrote:Calipers won’t clear the leaf springs.
The one I tried, the calipers cleared but there wouldn't be any way to remove the bolts to do brakes without dropping the axle. I wonder if there is an alternative way to address that...Image
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tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:
rainman wrote:Calipers won’t clear the leaf springs.
The one I tried, the calipers cleared but there wouldn't be any way to remove the bolts to do brakes without dropping the axle. I wonder if there is an alternative way to address that...Image
Coils? :P

As I recall, there is one variant that goes in without any issues, but I cannot recall which year it was.
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Stuka wrote:
tedlovesjeeps71 wrote:
rainman wrote:Calipers won’t clear the leaf springs.
The one I tried, the calipers cleared but there wouldn't be any way to remove the bolts to do brakes without dropping the axle. I wonder if there is an alternative way to address that...Image
Coils? :P

As I recall, there is one variant that goes in without any issues, but I cannot recall which year it was.
Lol... Sacrilege.Image

I guess when I go out to storage on Sunday (if it isn’t snowing, I’ll measure the one I have out there. See if I can make a reasonable guess.
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The early rodeo axles that match wms-wms (pretty close) with NT FSJs with leaf mounts are to narrow between the calipers. The later rodeos have wider wms-wms (with coils iirc) that should work ok with WT FSJs
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rainman wrote:The early rodeo axles that match wms-wms (pretty close) with NT FSJs with leaf mounts are to narrow between the calipers. The later rodeos have wider wms-wms (with coils iirc) that should work ok with WT FSJs
That sounds right. M pretty sure the few I grabbed over the years all came from leaf spring models. That probably explains my issue. I'm heading to storage today and will try to get a number on WMS to WMS on the one out there (and maybe the one under to commando as well.
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Well, I made a few quick measurements yesterday. Looks like both my Isuzu 44s were from leaf sprung vehicles. Best measurement seems to be from inside to inside of the caliper mounting bracket at about 48 3/4-49”s if the Waggy rear springs are at 42”s (?), the bolts probably wouldn’t clear the spring packs.
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I know the rear spring width is quite a bit wider than the front. But I don't have one handy to measure.
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Stuka wrote:I know the rear spring width is quite a bit wider than the front. But I don't have one handy to measure.
I'll probably measure the waggy tomorrow. Got busy doing Christmas stuff today so it kinda got back burners. I appreciate it though.
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Looks like the waggy is about 46 1/2"s outside to outside on the leaf springs.
So...

49-46.5= 2.5"s
That means about 1.25 per side for the caliper to fit and still let the bolts come out for servicing the brakes. Add in that the SOA puts the caliper about dead in the middle and it doesn't look likely that either of mine would work. I suppose the other option would be to look for a coil/control arm one in the junkyard and see if it is any better. *Shrugs*
At the end of the day it's probably cheaper and much easier to just have the axles in the waggy now Regeared. Too bad santa didn't bring me a pile of cash.

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interesting fact about the Rodeo - Passport history from wiki

In 2010, a recall was issued for affected 1998-2002 Rodeo and Passport for frames with severe rust issues. On September 22, 2010, NHTSA campaign number 10V436000 was issued to recall 149,992 vehicles because of excessive corrosion near the forward bracket for the left or right rear suspension lower link. If the rust damage was severe, Honda bought back the vehicles from their owners. Under U.S. federal regulations, automakers are not required to correct problems on vehicles that are ten or more years old.

so we may not find too many in the JY
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letank wrote:interesting fact about the Rodeo - Passport history from wiki

In 2010, a recall was issued for affected 1998-2002 Rodeo and Passport for frames with severe rust issues. On September 22, 2010, NHTSA campaign number 10V436000 was issued to recall 149,992 vehicles because of excessive corrosion near the forward bracket for the left or right rear suspension lower link. If the rust damage was severe, Honda bought back the vehicles from their owners. Under U.S. federal regulations, automakers are not required to correct problems on vehicles that are ten or more years old.

so we may not find too many in the JY
Interesting, thanks for that info. At about $100 from any you-pull-it type junkyard, they are a pretty good investment. Snag a few and squirrel them away. Image

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Can the caliper mounts be relocated?
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230ohc wrote:Can the caliper mounts be relocated?
I don't see how without possibly creating an angle which would make bleeding them difficult.

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This probably wouldn't be a problem with lift blocks then, right?
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I like how you eliminated the post mounts, what did you use for the front hangers.?
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