66 wag carb questions

Stock FSJ Tech Area
Post Reply

Topic author
hjsor
Posts: 6
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:11 pm

66 wag carb questions

Post by hjsor »

First time poster.
Please school me on posting etiquette if necessary.
I am the proud new owner of an almost entirely stock 66 wagoneer that has been parked since 82.
The engine is a 327 vigilante v8 2 barrel.
The carb was rebuilt (sticker on it says so) but I don’t know if it is stock. That’s not the most important part as much as ensuring I know what I have so I can clean / refurb it.

I didn’t want to take the carb off so early in my explore under the hood process but something broke...

I have two questions. How do I identify the refurb kit for the carb.

What is the thing that broke and how do I replace it.

The carb:
Carb numbers: R 3262-1A, 3181449

according to the service manual the original was Holley model 2209, the list numbers seem to indicate this is, in fact, a 2209.

But. R3262-1A is not listed on the Holley list ( https://documents.holley.com/techlibrar ... isting.pdf )
for finding a rebuild kit.

The thing that broke:
Is a threaded hole on the plate between the carb and intake manifold.


The Jeep:
Image

The carb:
Image

Image

Image

The plate (the lower left half had a hose valve screwed in that broke):
Image

Any help greatly appreciated. I don’t know what I am doing but I am bound and determined to learn.

twisted frame
Posts: 637
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:41 am
Location: Massachusetts

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by twisted frame »

Congratulations on your purchase! Looks like a prime example of a clean early Wagoneer. I am not familiar with that carb but I imagine the thing that broke off the base plat goes to the PCV valve. Can you trace the hose that used to connect there and see where it leads?
73 J4000. 360, MC 2100, T18A, D20, stock closed knuckle Dana 44 front, 60-2 rear. Warn Lock-O-Matics, Warn/Belleview electric winch, true duals with glasspacks, old-school front diff skid plate, used 265 Toyos on 16" AR wheels.

Topic author
hjsor
Posts: 6
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:11 pm

66 wag carb questions

Post by hjsor »

I think you are right. At least the hose leads to something that looks like a PCV valve. On the other side of the valve is a hose that leads towards the back of the engine.

I can verify what it goes to tomorrow.

So, that is called a base plate?
The threaded port is part of the base plate itself.

Can the base plate be replaced?

This is another picture. On the engine there was a paper gasket. Then this half inch plate of aluminum? Another gasket then the carburetor.
Image
User avatar

Stuka
Site Admin
Posts: 11789
Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:53 pm
Location: CA
Contact:

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by Stuka »

That is a phenolic spacer which is equipped with a vacuum port of X size. Most likely 5/16", maybe 3/8". I believe that is a standard hollow 2v pattern, so it should be fairly easy to find one that matches close enough.

Since thats an OEM carb, Holley won't have kits for that exact model. They may have made a very similar one that will match up. But I would check with Napa or the like. Most likely have to break out the book to find it, but they should have one.
2017 JKU Rubicon
Pevious Jeeps: 1981 J10, 1975 Cherokee, 2008 JK, 2005 KJ, 1989 XJ
User avatar

tgreese
Posts: 7118
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:31 am
Location: Medford MA USA

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by tgreese »

I typed in R3262 and this is the first page to come up http://www.carburetion.com/CarbNumber.asp?Number=R3262 The 3181449 number is the Jeep part number. Pretty easy. They offer a kit, but you should be able to come up with a kit from many places (RockAuto? your local parts store?) using the application, the R number and the Jeep PN. There is also a parts book for the J-series vehicles at http://oljeep.com/edge_parts_man.html I'm sure that if you look up the application, I expect you will find the part number matches your vehicle. Likely it also shows the base insulator. I expect that part is a hard plastic called "phenolic" and not aluminum. There will be a flat gasket on both sides of the insulator, which will also be easy to find through your local parts store or RockAuto, since this is a standard Holley pattern carburetor.

What exactly is wrong with that insulator? It looks fine from the pictures. Is there a threaded hole in the boss that sticks out? I would try and fix it. Give us some better pictures aof what broke. You can buy an insulator without the PCV port if you look online and search for "Holley base insulator." It's a standard thing for hot rods and such. Likely it won't have a PCV tap, but you could add one by drilling a hole in the side and inserting a tube. Unfortunately, carbureted cars are not plentiful in the junkyards anymore, but you may find a suitable replacement from an older Ford V8. Pickings for old cars are still ok in the pick-and-pulls in California, maybe in Oregon too.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
Blockchain the vote.
User avatar

mud89
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:09 pm
Location: Burgundy, France

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by mud89 »

Funny i had the same issue one month ago
The original carb for my '65 wagoneer with a 327 is an Holley 2209 R3262A (for info another 2209 with a different number was available for rigs with an auto trans)
No real differences between a R3262A and your R3262-1A
I tried to rebuild my R3262A but it was not perfect, so i bought on ebay a NOS 2209 R3305A which was a carb for an AMC passenger car with a 327, and i made an outlet for the PCV hose at the rear of the throttle plate. I used a piece of metal tube, 2'' long with a 3/8'' diameter. Since then it runs smooth.
For the gaskets i bought a rebuild kit for a 2209, also on ebay, probably available on Rockauto too
Last edited by mud89 on Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:22 am, edited 3 times in total.
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
parts vehicles : wagoneer 63, cherokee Golden eagle
User avatar

mud89
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:09 pm
Location: Burgundy, France

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by mud89 »

The FSJ holley 2209 for an auto trans is a R3234 (3181311)
Beware : some holley 2209 like the R3307, R3308 were used for different engines and have a narrower throttle plate
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
parts vehicles : wagoneer 63, cherokee Golden eagle

Topic author
hjsor
Posts: 6
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:11 pm

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by hjsor »

First, thank you all for the information! I am so much better informed now.
tgreese wrote: What exactly is wrong with that insulator? It looks fine from the pictures. Is there a threaded hole in the boss that sticks out? I would try and fix it. Give us some better pictures aof what broke.
It does feel plastic of some sort.
The thickness of this is .50”

Here are better pictures of the broken piece.

Image

Image

Image

Thoughts on fixing vs finding a replacement?

4bz
Posts: 32
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:15 pm

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by 4bz »

The base plate appears to be long enough in the area that broke off to simply cut it back with a hacksaw and a file, and then cut a new internal
thread with a tap. The fitting that goes on the broken part will be closer to the carburetor after the repair, but that should not be an issue.
User avatar

mud89
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:09 pm
Location: Burgundy, France

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by mud89 »

What i did :
Image
Image
Image
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
parts vehicles : wagoneer 63, cherokee Golden eagle
User avatar

mud89
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:09 pm
Location: Burgundy, France

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by mud89 »

I plugged of course the hole in the spacer
As others said an alternative to my solution is to cut a thread with a tap in the spacer
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
parts vehicles : wagoneer 63, cherokee Golden eagle
User avatar

tgreese
Posts: 7118
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:31 am
Location: Medford MA USA

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by tgreese »

Top notch work, as always.

The OP's carburetor has the same casting, and could be drilled for a tube as shown. If it were mine, I would fix the insulator with JB Weld, and include the fitting as part of the repair. Clean thoroughly with xylene and a tooth brush, and figure a way to clamp the part till the epoxy sets, before applying any epoxy.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
Blockchain the vote.

Topic author
hjsor
Posts: 6
Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:11 pm

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by hjsor »

All

I think I will attempt cleaning up the hole on the spacer and permanently mounting a tube to that. Much like mud89 mounted to the carb body.

Does it matter what kind of metal I use?

I will match diameter to the existing attachment.

Any other gotchas I should be prepared to avoid?

I’m off to look for the rebuild kit now, hoping I have time this weekend to get started on this.

I will post progress if there is any interest.
User avatar

mud89
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:09 pm
Location: Burgundy, France

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by mud89 »

I am not a pro ;-) , i just used a copper tube for plumbing..., easy to find and not a too hard metal
I used a file, the tube being slightly too large (3/8'' -10mm) and i made a flare at the end of the tube
J10 81, J10 77, CJ7 80, Gladiator 64, Wagoneer 65, ZJ 5.9
parts vehicles : wagoneer 63, cherokee Golden eagle
User avatar

tgreese
Posts: 7118
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:31 am
Location: Medford MA USA

Re: 66 wag carb questions

Post by tgreese »

The type of metal won't matter. Easiest for me would be to go to the parts store and buy a short pre-formed brake tube and cut it up. Copper would work fine too - whatever you have. You may have trouble buying a short length of copper tubing unless you have scraps lying around.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
Blockchain the vote.
Post Reply