232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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The starter is giving me problems on the truck. The solenoid is shot along with the Bendix drive. Haven't got the price yet for the rebuild. Mt old shop and I'm not sure about this shop.Is there an upgrade that may be less costly and/or better?
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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A 232 in 1969 is different from the later 232s (1971 and on). Should be a Prestolite starter, and I don't know of any upgrades for it. The early engines have the starter on the driver's side.

It's the same as what was used in the Rambler passenger cars of the day. You could ask on the AMC forum http://theamcforum.com/forum/ - there is quite a lot of discussion of these starters there https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Ath ... 32+starter
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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Thanks. Its a GM type with the solenoid mounted on the starter and it bolts the drivers side. I believe I can switch to the prestolite but I'm not too sure if they're any easier to come by.
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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All the 232s before 1971 have the starter on the driver's side. From '71 on it's a different motor.

You're sure it's a Delco? There's no obvious upgrade from a Delco starter. The solenoid is widely available, and the same for all Delcos.

There is a parts book for that model truck at the Tom Collins site. http://oljeep.com/edge_parts_man.html I would download it and look up the Jeep PN, and cross to that.
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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Both shops told me that it was a Delco type.It was my understanding that I could switch over to a Prestolite and put the solenoid on the wheel well. The AMC Forum folks seem to prefer Prestolites
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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The Delco starter has a big cylinder on the side that is the starter solenoid. The starter solenoid both switches the power and throws the starter gear into the flywheel. The solenoid is a part of the starter, but easily replaced.

Search it. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Delco+starter

RockAuto shows a Ford (Autolite/Motorcraft) starter for this application. The Jeep parts book shows an Autolite starter ALMDY8102A, Jeep PN 3181369. The Ford starter has a characteristic rectangular cover on the side that contains the slug (steel block on a hinge) that throws the gear into the flywheel. The solenoid that switches the power is separate, mounted on the fender. It's possible the Ford type that is shown at RockAuto is the proper replacement for the Autolite with a Delco-style solenoid.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ford+starter

The earliest Autolites are different, and actually have a Bendix gear, with no slug or solenoid like the later Delcos or Fords.

Does the starter have a name plate? If you have the starter removed, post a pic here or on the AMC forum. (I kinda suggest you ask on the AMC forum - the early 232 is something of an oddball here, and the Rambler guys see them all the time).
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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Does anyone have an first haand experince with these? I asked the folks on the AMC Forum and haven't received any response confirming that it will work in a GEN I



http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMC-Internation ... SN&vxp=mtr
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69gladiator wrote:Does anyone have an first haand experince with these? I asked the folks on the AMC Forum and haven't received any response confirming that it will work in a GEN I



http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMC-Internation ... SN&vxp=mtr
Are you now asking about the ebay geared starter? A 199 is the same block as your 232 - that's the "Rambler" 232, from before AMC unified the bell pattern with the GEN2 V8s. A 195 is different.

Unfortunately, the Jeep starter could be different. You probably have not heard from the AMC forum because no one there knows an answer. Did you post a picture of your original starter there? You have not posted any pictures here ... I gave you the Jeep PN and the Autolite number.

You could contact the seller of this starter with this information. They might agree to take the starter back if it does not fit.

You could also ask your local parts store to order in the Ford-type starter that RockAuto lists for your application. Then you could compare with what you have. Your local parts store should help out a good customer this way ... if you ask in advance.

Finally, you could take your core to an auto electric specialty shop and have it rebuilt. Many such shops exist, maybe not local to you: https://www.bing.com/search?q=classic+c ... er+rebuild
Tim Reese
Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS/PDB, hubcaps.
Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination A/Ts, 7600 GVWR
Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
Dual Everything: '15 Chryco Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk, ECO Green
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Re: 232 Starter in 69 Jeep Gladiator

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In our throwaway society, rebuild shops are disappearing as the old timers retire or die. The only shop left took it over as a sideline to truck repairs and towing when to go to shop's owner retired. The starter is still at the shop therefore I cant post a picture. They claim they can find a new replacement starter from their sources. Apparently the armature needs work along with the solenoid and drive assembly and will be cheaper to replace it with a new one.They said they'd get back to me on a delivery date.
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